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Well it's awake, the Sun has finally shown some signs of activity, it has been very very quiet over the last few years, very little to no Sun spot activity over the past 5 years to speak of, then today POP a solar flare has been detected by the GOES 13 satellite, (see link below) not a big one but a flare just the same.

In the link below you will see the activity, now why this news is this important to any satellite site?

Well a big enough solar flare can knock out almost all satellites in orbit, if you look at the graph in the link you will see a dotted line if the green plot goes above that line up two lines above it we could be in trouble. (I would have made the bad one the red plot)

GOES Proton Flux | NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center

In the past we have been very lucky, the last big one just missed us back in July of 2012, but back in September of 1859 we were not so lucky, back then we didn't have anything electronic to worry about, all that was around were telegraph stations, but the flare was so large that most telegraph stations were knocked out for a time, some operators even saw sparks jumping off the equipment.

Had that big a flare happened today you would not be reading about it on your computer, laptop, Ipad, HDTV set or cell phone as it would all be a pile of junk, (so would everything else with an IC chip in it) and all forms of communication would be down, and so would the world wide power grid.

One of the first web sites I look at in the morning is the GOES 13 plot, this will tell me if I need to get the lead underwear out. (not to worried about it now, too old for any young kids to be running around)
 

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It's okay, the sun just farted, nothing to worry about... :-rofl2

It is intriguing how flares have affected the planet in the past though, with some reports that battery-operated telephones didn't need the batteries connected to work as the current being induced in the copper wires was enough to power the phones, but yeah, in this day and age, it's be a case of SHTF and everything ends, because we're too reliant on technology to work so we can live out lives...
 

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If a big one like what happened back in 1859 happened today we would be back in the stone age technology wise, signal flags, carrier Pigeons and maybe even horse back as almost all cars, trucks and most planes now days have some sort of computer or IC chip running them.

Some vacuum tube stuff would be operational but how to power it? Battery's maybe, hand crank possibly, but it would be years before we could get back on our feet and maybe to about 25% of where we are now communication wise.

Maybe some of the military radiation hardened stuff would survive, but the average Joe would be lost and back in the 1800's.
 

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If a big one like what happened back in 1859 happened today we would be back in the stone age technology wise, signal flags, carrier Pigeons and maybe even horse back as almost all cars, trucks and most planes now days have some sort of computer or IC chip running them.

Unless they're classic cars, all analogue and no ICs, just wire, metal and chemicals... :D
 

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Especially if the car is traditional mechanical injection. diesel You don't need anything except fuel for them.
 

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Yep, good ol' traditional squirt & squeeze diesels are often pretty bulletproof too, modern ones, with all the stuff they've bodged on over the years to ruin economy and make the exhaust smell like a public lav, seem to conk out if you look at them at the wrong angle... :-lol
 
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If a big one like what happened back in 1859 happened today we would be back in the stone age technology wise, signal flags, carrier Pigeons and maybe even horse back as almost all cars, trucks and most planes now days have some sort of computer or IC chip running them.
wouldn't that just affect the part of the planet that was facing the sun when the solar storm hit?
Or is a continours grilling for more than 24 hrs? Rotisserie taken to a higher level?

Reminds me of a classical Larry Niven short story "Inconstant Moon"...
 

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wouldn't that just affect the part of the planet that was facing the sun when the solar storm hit?
Or is a continours grilling for more than 24 hrs? Rotisserie taken to a higher level?

Reminds me of a classical Larry Niven short story "Inconstant Moon"...


Plenty of 'solar flare' novels of doom out there. Read them while its slightly under 451 though.
 

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wouldn't that just affect the part of the planet that was facing the sun when the solar storm hit?
Or is a continours grilling for more than 24 hrs? Rotisserie taken to a higher level?

Reminds me of a classical Larry Niven short story "Inconstant Moon"...
Take a look at the site I posted, it's quite a long duration flare, almost 24 hrs so far, we would be toast.

And if the car had anything related to a transistor in it, it would be scrap metal, even the newer diesels would take a hit from a big one, my friend has a Cummings diesel in his 1990 truck, the computer controlling the fuel pumps went bad and it was a lawn toy till he got it replaced, so the car or truck would have to be made before the advent of any type of electronic control.

A nice 59 Chevy would be handy to have around.
 

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