Televes or fracarro?

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Hi all. Planning to set up sat system prefarably 1m. Been looking at Televes & Fracarro 1m. It seems the Televes has 40.5 db gain at 11.7 ghz Fracarro is 40.2. Does anyone have experience with these dishes and can recommend which of the 2 is easier to set up? Also been looking at Fracarro penta 85cm which has gain of 39db at 10.7 ghz. So bit confused which one to get. Ideally want to use with Usals moror and receive as many sats possible between 42 east and 7 west in north west england

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Also consider the Gibertini 1M XP, have had excellent results with it, well made and engineered..

Gibertini XP
 
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Ive got an 85cm Fraccaro. It performs about as well as an 85cm dish wouyld be expected to. Its certainly no wonder dish.
 

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Ive got an 85cm Fraccaro. It performs about as well as an 85cm dish wouyld be expected to. Its certainly no wonder dish.
All dishes should perform no better than their dish size, anyone claiming magical figures should have their goolies cut off

 

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@Red alert

The differences between those quoted gain figures are very "maginal, at best"! :rolleyes:

In "real life", the major difference in how dishes of approximately the same size perform is how well, or not, they are aligned - because even a very slight error in the azimuth (East/West angle) or elevation (angle at which the dish points "upwards" from the horizon) makes a huge difference in the signal strength ("SS") and signal quality ("SQ") that you will get (if any at all!):(

PS: and with the dish on a USALS (or any other type) motor, there is far more "scope" for "errors" - especially in the azimuth and declination (rather "complicated" to explain here) settings if you want to get good tracking over a decent part of the arc accessible in the UK (which is roughly 53E to 30W).

Therefore, and assuming that you have not previously set up a USALS motor/dish combo, it might be a very good idea to find someone locally who can do that - might save you a LOT of time and flustration (been there, done that!) in the short/medium term at the cost of a few hours of "his" time.
 
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Thanks for the replies. I used to have a Gibertini 1.2 with usals and sharp 0.3 db lnb about 10 years ago and not had any since. That was easier to install as i had a south facing garden and installed it lower on the wall. I remember picking up weaker satellites such as 7 west. No chance up north with a 1m.
@jeallen01 so what difference would a 1.5db gain be if dish is aligned good? The difference between Fracarro 85 and Televes 1m is 1.5 db at 11 ghz. Does this mean the signal quality will only be marginally different between them?

@sonnetpete thanks for the link, i have been looking at Gibertini also. How easy was it to set the elevation on that dish?

I am trying to find someone to setup the dish and I have seen 2 sat shops in Manchester so far but I dont trust they would do a good job in trying to set up the sat proper so it receives the arc. If anyone can recommend an installer I would be happy to contact them.
 

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Can't answer your question about the "1.5dB" difference, but w.r.t Gibertinis, I suspect (from watching @Channel Hopper set up my 1.2m) that they are probably easier to set up, but only IF you know to do that with that brand of dish.

PS: with the 1.2 Gibertini, I'm getting quite a lot of transponders on the current 7W sat that beams many transponders towards W.Europe.
 

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Thanks for the replies. I used to have a Gibertini 1.2 with usals and sharp 0.3 db lnb about 10 years ago and not had any since. That was easier to install as i had a south facing garden and installed it lower on the wall. I remember picking up weaker satellites such as 7 west. No chance up north with a 1m.
@jeallen01 so what difference would a 1.5db gain be if dish is aligned good? The difference between Fracarro 85 and Televes 1m is 1.5 db at 11 ghz. Does this mean the signal quality will only be marginally different between them?

@sonnetpete thanks for the link, i have been looking at Gibertini also. How easy was it to set the elevation on that dish?

I am trying to find someone to setup the dish and I have seen 2 sat shops in Manchester so far but I dont trust they would do a good job in trying to set up the sat proper so it receives the arc. If anyone can recommend an installer I would be happy to contact them.

cai satellite installers for motorised dish set setup North West England - Google Search
 

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i have been looking at Gibertini also. How easy was it to set the elevation on that dish?

Reasonably easy, the elevation adjustment is quite sturdy and the dish face is aluminum, so you don't have to strain as much. Certainly, it's easier than a Triax...
 

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Reasonably easy, the elevation adjustment is quite sturdy and the dish face is aluminum, so you don't have to strain as much. Certainly, it's easier than a Triax...

You mean less blood loss than a Triax.
 

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Having a Triax TD78, a TD88 & a TD110, and a few other dishes, I, as a total amateur in these matters, would say that it is probably harder to adjust the elevation on one of those than almost any other ones of similar sizes that I've come across because of the "sliding" design of how the dish sits in the associated mount (they stick & then slip somewhat "randomly") :(

PS: and the plastic LNB clamps are prone to fracturing, especially if you try to adjust the skew in cold weather :(
 
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Here's a close-up of the dish mount on my TD110 at the begining of this year (it has been moved to another pole since then) - the white paint in the middle was sprayed there so I had a better chance of seeing changes in elevation because the engraved scale can be difficult to see.TD110 elevation adjustment.JPG
 

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Here's a close-up of the dish mount on my TD110

BTW, off topic:

With my Triax TD115, the arm was hanging 2 cm lower than where the calculated focal point was.
(see, in dutch: Triax TD115 met te korte arm? )
I'm curious if this is the case with other Triax dishes, also...

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@jeallen01 I wish i could have that many dishes installed at my property but unfortunately live in a cul de sac and all my neighbors will see the dishes, cant have anything too big. If it was upto me id put up a channel master 1.2m dish. Hopefully a 1m wont look too big at the front of the house.

I've read about how a pain it is to set up elevation on Triax dishes so kind of puts me off. @Analoguesat did you find it easy to set the elevation on the penta 85? I read somewhere that the penta shape of the Fracarro reduces noise interference.

Has anyone on this site done any tests to see the difference in signal quality between an 85cm and 1m dish? How important is the gain advertised by the manufacturer, how would we know the stated gain is not an exaggeration?
 

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I have done tests comparing the 88cm mesh dish to the 100cm Gibertini All of the DTH satellites perform well on the 88cm it is just the weak ones like 26 east Badr-4, 21.5 east Eutel 21B, 3 west ABS 3A, 7.3 west Eutel 7 West A, Eutel 8 west B, where the 100cm is much better,
But some transmissions over the last 12 months have been using reduced power on 10 east,7 east,3 east,3 west & 4 west have only been successful by some members here with a dish size of 180 to 200cm,

I would strongly recommend the Gibertini 100cm + Inverto 0.2 black ultra Lnb.
 

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I have done tests comparing the 88cm mesh dish to the 100cm Gibertini All of the DTH satellites perform well on the 88cm it is just the weak ones like 26 east Badr-4, 21.5 east Eutel 21B, 3 west ABS 3A, 7.3 west Eutel 7 West A, Eutel 8 west B, where the 100cm is much better,
But some transmissions over the last 12 months have been using reduced power on 10 east,7 east,3 east,3 west & 4 west have only been successful by some members here with a dish size of 180 to 200cm,

I would strongly recommend the Gibertini 100cm + Inverto 0.2 black ultra Lnb.


Thanks for the info. I can see the Gibertini have so many to choose from XP range, SE and premium. Which one has the better return for signal quality? Their dish gains are very similar.
 

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A Gibby 1.2 on a USALs motor :oops: it's a heavy old thing for those plastic cogs to stop moving! +1 with William, a 1m Gib and Inverto BU are a good combo with plenty of adjustment on the LNB neck to fine tune illumination.
 

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A Gibby 1.2 on a USALs motor :oops: it's a heavy old thing for those plastic cogs to stop moving! +1 with William, a 1m Gib and Inverto BU are a good combo with plenty of adjustment on the LNB neck to fine tune illumination.
Given somewhat relatively limited use so far (many other "distractions!), my "Superior Dark Motor" with the 1.2m Gibby on it has no problem in moving/ stopping as required.

However, what do seem to be "fragile" are the mast clamps that came with that motor (it was a relatively new one) as they soon began to "bow" under the combined weight of the motor and the dish. I've "beefed" them up in-situ (I posted some shots of that several months ago) and that appears to have stopped the distortion - but I think that @Channel Hopper has worked out a more substantial solution (OTOH, that would mean taking the whole lot down and starting again - which I'm not prepared for ATM).
 

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My set up OP Gibertini 100 XP with a Superior Dark Motor Inverto & Black Ultra 0.2 Lnb :):Y
 
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