Using a echostar ad-3000ip viaccess with a smw q-pll quad lnb type r

[ozumo]

You won't find a consumer hobby receiver that is fully compatible with this LNB. It's a professional grade LNB designed for professional systems. These are your options with the Technomate:

SMW LNB, frequencies correct, polarisation as per position name:

Technomate position name	LNB settings, all single	ASC1
1. 4.8e 10.7-11.7H	18v, 22khz on, LO 9.750	4.8e H
2. 4.8e 11.7-12.25H	13v, 22kz on, LO 10750	4.8e H
3. 4.8e 12.25-12.75H	18v, 22khz off, LO 11300	4.8e H
4. 4.8e 10.7-11.7V	18v, 22khz on, LO 9.750	4.8e V
5. 4.8e 11.7-12.25V	13v, 22kz on, LO 10750	4.8e V
6. 4.8e 12.25-12.75V	18v, 22khz off, LO 11300	4.8e V

With SMW set as Universal, frequencies incorrect, polarisation as per position name:

Technomate position	LNB settings	ASC1
1. 4.8e Ku H	Universal	4.8e H
2. 4.8e Ku V	Universal	4.8e V

With a universal LNB, all frequencies correct, all polarisations correct, auto polarisation:

Technomate position name	LNB settings	ASC1
1. 4.8e Ku	Universal	4.8e auto polarisation

Your meter is probably finding exactly the same as the Technomate set to universal settings.

 

[subman]

Many thanks Ozumo your reply , Yes I fully understand this is a commercial LNB and its not going to be a straight forward job to get it to work but I see what SMW have to say if there is no way its going to work with any domestic receiver if not then I will change back to the old LNB .

As for the meter well looking at the channel list of Astra 4 / Sinus 2 every thing that is on Astra 4 is there . But I will check what other people are using and what SMW say and take it from there .

Thanks again for all your efforts

 

[moonbase]

Understood Ozumo well sounds like its going to be a pain in the bum having six satellites stored in the Technomate might be cheaper just to change the receiver as the LNB was £400 ...

...but I will still need a replacement receiver compatible with this LNB .

You will be in the same predicament with another receiver. The issue is the SMW LNB, did you fully understand the scope of its use when you bought it with respect to the multiple LO frequencies it has? The LNB was always going to be problematic to get a simple full Ku-Band scan in a consumer grade satellite receiver.

 

[moonbase]

...But I will check what other people are using...

I am using Invacom C120 dual or quad output twin probe LNB's for Ku-Band on all my Precision dishes. I use these LNB's with a range of consumer grade and professional grade satellite receivers. The consumer grade receivers provide a full band blind scan of both H and V polarity using the standard universal LNB LO settings.

 

[subman]

All understood MB well I will check what SMW say when they return back from there summer holdays next month other wise I will remove the corotor and change out the LNB . All ok on using a Invacom C120 dual or quad output twin probe LNB's for Ku-Band ,If you dont want C band that is fine but after replacing the corotor I still want to Ku + C band . But I have left other messages in other forums to see what other owners of Type R SMW LNBs use .Please understand this LNB cost me £400 so dont want to dump it if I have to as the gain on it seems to be much better than my old quad band LNB .

The other point is what other firms make a quad band LNBs with a WR75 flange , I wonder if Norsat make a quad band LNB I think looking back a few months I found very few companys that even made a Quad band LNB with a WR75 flange , I know there available in the Middle East + Asia but its a bit like the receivers there is very little demand in europe for receivers with dish + skew control . But just type in to your search engine Ku Quad with WR75 flange and there are very few available .But like I said once SMW come back from summer holidays I will see what they have to say plus over the months while searching I found lots of other contacts I can ask , But the SMW LNB works well the only problem is how to interface it with a domestic receiver . Next problem is how do I interface it with a ASC1 . It looks straight forward but looking back over the past 4 months nothing is straight forward .

Thanks again guys for the support .

 

[dreambox1959]

I still want to Ku + C band . But I have left other messages in other forums to see what other owners of Type R SMW LNBs use .Please understand this LNB cost me £400 so dont want to dump it if I have to as the gain on it seems to be much better than my old quad band LNB .

i dont know till now it was so expensive !
its not a quadri-band but a bi-band with four values of oscilator !
i had some technomate but i had change it for enigma e2 receiver (sf8008) with this receiver you can create 64 shape of lnb (mono or bi band any value of OL 22khz or not) and you can create many positions for an unique sat !!
so you can create 2 lnb type (one low band one high band) you name it lnb1 and lnb2 and blindscan ....

 

[ozumo]

I think the notion of "quad band" may be where the issues arise from. A quad band like your SMW separates the whole Ku band into 4 bands, each with a different LO, whereas a dual band (SMW type E?) would still cover the whole band but with only 2 LOs like a universal LNB or your old LNB, with a corotor controlling polarisation, outputting 10.7-11.7 H & V and 11.7-12.75 H & V, which is 4 'bands'. I think this may be where you're getting the idea of needing a quad band LNB from.

You can still use your SMW, it's just more of a fiddle to set up and scan

 

[ozumo]

i had some technomate but i had change it for enigma e2 receiver (sf8008) with this receiver you can create 64 shape of lnb (mono or bi band any value of OL 22khz or not) and you can create many positions for an unique sat !!
so you can create 2 lnb type (one low band one high band) you name it lnb1 and lnb2 and blindscan ....

Is it possible to post some screenshots of the available settings you mention please?

 

[subman]

Well I did look around at who made a good quad band LNB and all I could find was SMW Type R at looking at the spec :-
Lo 10.00 ( 13v . No Tone ) 10.95-11.70 Ghz
Lo 10.75 ( 13v , 22Khz Tone ) 11.70 - 12.25 Ghz
Lo 11.30 ( 18v , No Tone ) 12.25 - 12.75 Ghz
Lo 9.75 ( 18v , 22 Khz Tone ) 10.70 - 11.70 Ghz

So I thought it was the same as the other Quad band LNB but its clear now that like you say its a bi-band with four values of oscilators they did make others like the Type E + B But I will ask in other forums and see if anyone else had the same problem and how they got round it .But yes the Type R if you bought one new from SMW there about £850 and about £800 from Hypex . Ok you bought a Enigma E2 and with that you can create your own LNB profile that maybe some I can think about this technomate looks new to me I did try and put in my own LNB spec 9.750 - 10.750 then did a blind scan but it crashed at 22% but before it crashed it logged 70 Channels . I then tried 9.750 - 11.300 that scan crashed at 17 % channels logged 70 . Firmware of the TM-5402 is Version 1.44 April 22 2016 .

But should we sort the LNB side out will it work with the ASC1 so I will keep my eye out for a Enigma e2 receiver (sf8008) and find out how others use the Type R and what receivers they use .

 

[subman]

Good Morning Ozumo / Dreambox1959 ,Yes it sounds like the problem is terminology as all other Quad band Lnbs have just been plug and play and nothing like this one . But like I said if you search on the net 90% of the quad band LNBs are plug and play but this one is a bi-band with four values of oscilator and not a quad , I wonder if Norsat a make a quad ?

But open up your web web browser and type in Ku Quad Band LNB with WR75 flange and see how many hits you get .

 

[ozumo]

No your SMW is a quad band. Four LOs each covering a specific part of the KU range.

 

[moonbase]

... but i had change it for enigma e2 receiver (sf8008) with this receiver you can create 64 shape of lnb (mono or bi band any value of OL 22khz or not) and you can create many positions for an unique sat !!
so you can create 2 lnb type (one low band one high band) you name it lnb1 and lnb2 and blindscan ....

I think that "subman" might find Enigma2 receivers not as user friendly as a Technomate or an Echostar receiver?

 

[moonbase]

Is it possible to post some screenshots of the available settings you mention please?

I have atached a screenshot below from an Enigma2 receiver. The receiver has 64 LNB configurations available for customisation with various options being available within each of the 64 LNB configurations. Most values in the screenshot are customisable.

However, I would advise "subman" not to venture into these waters, the Enigma2 ocean is not for everyone, it is quite a learning curve to get to grips with it for an inexperienced user.

 

[moonbase]

...I will keep my eye out for a Enigma e2 receiver (sf8008)...

I advise against it unless you have experience with E2 receivers.

 

[ozumo]

i had some technomate but i had change it for enigma e2 receiver (sf8008) with this receiver you can create 64 shape of lnb (mono or bi band any value of OL 22khz or not) and you can create many positions for an unique sat !!
so you can create 2 lnb type (one low band one high band) you name it lnb1 and lnb2 and blindscan ....

So for one satellite position you can select multiple LNBs that you have defined and blindscan, is it limited to just 2? Can you define an LNB as Vertical but send it 18v?

 

[dreambox1959]

So for one satellite position you can select multiple LNBs that you have defined and blindscan, is it limited to just 2? Can you define an LNB as Vertical but send it 18v?

NO ! this kind of lnb doesnt match with ordinary receiver ! but if you could manage polarisation with a separate device you can put these parameters :

 

[moonbase]

So for one satellite position you can select multiple LNBs that you have defined and blindscan, is it limited to just 2? Can you define an LNB as Vertical but send it 18v?

In the LNB configuration you can customise voltage and tone then save the settings for that LNB configuration and satellite. The blind scan for the same satellite allows selection of vertical polarity and I assume it uses the settings from the LNB configuration when the blind scan is activated.

For detailed and accurate explanaitions of how the Enigma2 receivers work re voltage and polarity settings for a blind scan using an OpenViX image, forum member "Huevos" is the person to ask. He is one of the developers associated with the OpenViX image.

The other option to get 18v on a vertical polarity scan is to use an inline power inserter to send 18v up to the LNB. I think this is sometimes done with Norsat C-Band LNB's as they are reported to like volts and supposedly give better SNR at higher voltages?
.

 

[subman]

All ok there Ozumo + Moonbase yes l must admit driving the Echostar + Technomate are very straight forward and sounds like it maybe a way forward other wise it could be opening up one more can of worms .In theory the ASC1 should work with any modern digital receiver but we shall see sounds like the Enigma e2 receiver is a pig to get it it work thats a pity as there only £40 more than what the Technomate cost dont worry I wont be buying one as it sounds to much of a learning curve .But I will start placing new topics on all the other sat forums asking if any others use SMW Type R LNBs and see what receivers they use .

 

[moonbase]

...I will start placing new topics on all the other sat forums asking if any others use SMW Type R LNBs and see what receivers they use.

I would be surprised if there are other satellite enthusiasts using an SMW Type R LNB for full band Ku on a motorised satellite system with a consumer grade receiver.

 

[subman]

Understood MB Well I have left the same topic in 4 other forums and left SMW a message so we shall see what they say but the Type R has been around for over 15 years so there must be a few kicking around .If you do a search on the net your find a few maybe states side since every thing over there is big . Should we get no reply then its just going to be trial and error .