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How weird. I wonder if someone mistook whatever c/r system was used for Videocrypt?
I just found this spanish forum:I read something about this recently, and I think I can fill in the blanks!
This Hispasat analogue transmission of Canal+ España was encrypted in both Nagravision and Videocrypt.
Basically, this version was never intended for public reception, but to feed the analogue terrestrial transmitters of Canal+ in Spain.
The Canal+ channel was encrypted in Nagravision for the end users who received it via terrestrial, and then this already encrypted version (maybe with some FTA 'windows' like the French version) was encrypted again in Videocrypt before being uplinked to Hispasat. The Videocrypt would have been decrypted before transmission at each transmitter site, just leaving the Nagra.
As you can see on that SATCODX chart, both Antena 3 and Telecinco (the two other national Spanish private terrestrial channels) were also on Hispasat in Videocrypt at that time, as these were also feeds for the transmitters by Retevisión (precursor to Abertis/Cellnex!), again not intended for direct reception, so the same happened with these (decryption at the transmitter sites).
I'm guessing the end result of the double encryption-double decryption on Canal+ didn't look great!
I just found this spanish forum:
I can read it only with google translate, but it seems like this was a modified version of the videocrypt system. It is still not clear for me was it recognisable with a standard videocrypt1 (or2?) decoder or not?No se si es que estoy tonto o que pero en digital me sale un 66% de señal pero en analogico no consigo ver canal + españa 12591 H ni tan siquiera codificado . Saludos.satdigital.mforos.com
I remember also CablePlus on Kopernikus2. This was definitely a videocrypt2 encrypted channel but only for CATV headends.
What about Cinemania2 in Nagravision? Was it a DTH transmission for Sogecable subscribers on Astra?
Some Nagravision Syster boxes can operate in a double scramble mode, both line shuffle and cut-and-rotate at the same time. It could have been this mode. If there are any VHS recordings of this we could tell from the VBI.
Does it mean the decoder couldn't recognize the signal as videocrypt2 (no "please insert card" message)?which didn't manage to decode the Antena 3 and Telecinco Videocrypt feeds as evidence of it being modified in some way.
There are 2 videos on youtube related to this topic. One from a person who catched a videocrypt decoder glitch on TeleCinco:If there are any VHS recordings of this we could tell from the VBI.
Does it mean the decoder couldn't recognize the signal as videocrypt2 (no "please insert card" message)?
There are 2 videos on youtube related to this topic. One from a person who catched a videocrypt decoder glitch on TeleCinco:
and an another video from a swiss guy named 625line:
We could ask them if they could capture the vbi from the tape to make it clear was it really a videocrypt encryption or not.
According to @Adam792 it is clearly to see the videocrypt remants at the edge of the picture on the first video.
I have mentioned in the videocrypt topic before here in Budapest an MMDS system was operating for 5 years using the dalvi encryption system. The encrypted image looked exactly the same as videocrypt, but the (cardless) CA system was totally different.