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Yes of Course. Sorry.
I made 6 photos of the dish but the amount of data is too high. Compressed i can´t even choose it.
I will shot a vew photos with the Handy.
Probably because the resolution is too high.
An simple way is to open picture "xxx.jpg" with Windows Paint, choose "resize picture", and select 800x600 or something in that range, and press OK.
Then save as "xxx_small.pjg", with quality factor (if available) at 95%.
This gives decent sized pictures that are easily uploadable.
Repeat for each picture.

On other platforms, similar tools are available. On Linux Mint (Ubuntu) I am using "Pinta" to do exactly the same thing.

Others (like RimaNTSS) prefer semi-automatic drag/drop tools. They work fine too. But Paint is built into Windows (at least up to recently).
 

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Not really..... I am using future which is Windows build-in, just mark picture (or bunch of pictures), right-click ScreenHunter_196 Mar. 01 22.05.jpg (circled in red) and then just choose resolution ScreenHunter_197 Mar. 01 22.08.jpg you wish your pictures to have. Press OK and it is done. Easy like that.
 

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As of late, and because of a change of the office laptop which for some reason prevents the usual image resolution within the noob 64bit processing (might be me that removed some critical software) I upload to another image site , then copy/paste from the final screen. They've done all the work, so credit to them.
 

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Hi!

Photos i´ve shot with the Handy i can upload. Today i get Signal from Astra 2 with folowing values:
Frequ: 10729 7,3, 10758 7,1, 10788 6,7 10818 6,9 10847 6,7 10891 6,0 10906 7,0
11082 17,9 11141 18,8 11171 18,0 11307 5,2 11464 16,7 11479 17,5 11523 16,1
11538 18,0 11739 14,7 12012 14,5
Values taken with PFA 2,4 m, Octagon Twin OTLO and Rover Meter ST 2+.

And i´m still searching for the feedhorn and lnb.
 

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Are you at the bottom of the ocean ?
 

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Yes, umfortunately i´m in UK-Spotbeam Signal no-mans-land. 111 km North is the 1st sideloob with 32 db. Means Recommended: Dish size: 4.5m, 52.2dBi.Reasonable SNR: Dish size: 2.78m, 48.0dBi. Budget SNR: Dish size: 1.97m, 45.0dBi. 110 km south from my Location ist the sideloob with 30 db. 150 km west is the first null. There are not many positive Reports around me. St. Pölten, about 30 km away Reports with a pfa 2,32 positive Signal with Little rain margin. Graz 111 km awaw in south from my Location gets nothing with 3 meter.
In Statzendorf NE from me no Signal with 2,4m.
 
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Hi!

Photos i´ve shot with the Handy i can upload. Today i get Signal from Astra 2 with folowing values:
Frequ: 10729 7,3, 10758 7,1, 10788 6,7 10818 6,9 10847 6,7 10891 6,0 10906 7,0
11082 17,9 11141 18,8 11171 18,0 11307 5,2 11464 16,7 11479 17,5 11523 16,1
11538 18,0 11739 14,7 12012 14,5
Values taken with PFA 2,4 m, Octagon Twin OTLO and Rover Meter ST 2+.

And i´m still searching for the feedhorn and lnb.
Thank you for providing more information.

From what you have written and from the pictures you've posted, I still stand by my recommendation about getting a GI-209P Ku band universal LNB, which has a feedhorn suitable for Prime Focus dishes. The Octagon Twin OTLO is for an offset dish, and it will only see a fraction of the active surface of your dish, giving sub-optimal results.

The GI-209P universal costs < EUR10, and may arrive by mail in 4-5 days, after which you will have as nearly-as-good-as-it-gets reception with your dish.
If this delivers promising results, THEN you can pursue expensive feedhorns and LNBs without wasting time and money on that.
 

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Yes, umfortunately i´m in UK-Spotbeam Signal no-mans-land. 111 km North is the 1st sideloob with 32 db. Means Recommended: Dish size: 4.5m, 52.2dBi.Reasonable SNR: Dish size: 2.78m, 48.0dBi. Budget SNR: Dish size: 1.97m, 45.0dBi. 110 km south from my Location ist the sideloob with 30 db. 150 km west is the first null. There are not many positive Reports around me. St. Pölten, about 30 km away Reports with a pfa 2,32 positive Signal with Little rain margin. Graz 111 km awaw in south from my Location gets nothing with 3 meter.
In Statzendorf NE from me no Signal with 2,4m.


There are a number of suppliers out there with 4.5m antennas you could buy.

4.5M TVRO Antennas,4.5M Rx only antenna,4.5 Meter Receive only dish antennas manufacture in China| Probecom Microwave Technology Co.,Ltd

https://www.elite-antennas.com/uploads/Elite_Antennas_Catalogue_web.pdf

http://www.gdsatcom.com/vsat/Technical_Docs/assembly_manuals/4096-345.pdf
 

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Thanks for all your instructions. 2,4 m dishes are really big. But 3 meters and more i don´t wanna install. I´ve tested a lot of lnb´s like
Best Single and Quad, IBU Single, Twin, Quad, Smart Titanium Single, Invacom Single Flange and the other with feedhorn, Invacom Quad QDH 031, Avenger California Single LNB, Koscom US 93, MTI High gain Quad, Invacom ADF 120 and Gibertini Feedhorn with Inverto Black Pro Single and Quad, Octagon Single, Octagon Twin OTLO and also especially for pfa antennas this one http://www.chinabrave.com/en/show/?2242.html. It gave really good Signal strenght but no Quality. Please tell me where i could get the 209 p lnb.
 

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Many of the LNBs you've mentioned are not designed to work on Prime-Focus dish, so they, in principle could not bring you good results. IMHO, it does not make a lot of sense to continue looking for other LNBs, as it will not give you much gain on reception. The real improvement of the system performance will arrive after you go for bigger dish. And, TBH, from pictures you have provided I do not think you will ever be able to get positive results in reception of UK beam from 28,2*E...... I hope I am mistaken.
GI-209P you can get from internet shops, including e-bay.
 

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Hi Rima. Yes, the most of them are designed to use with Offsetdishes. Also i have a Invacom ADF-120 Feedhorn and another fixed Feedhorn tested with Inverto Black Pro Single, Inverto flange Quad and Invacom SNF 031. I take a look at eBay. at, de uk for the gi 209 but didn´t find it.
 

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I was buying several GI-209P and sending them to some members. The shop where I got them does not have them anymore. There is another one which is pure internet shop and does not have real display room, so they only sell and deliver. I do not know whether they send items abroad. If you are very interested you can contact them and ask, web page is here. In worse case scenario if they can not send abroad and you still need this LNBF , I could order one to my address and then resend to you. That will cost 10.67 EUR plus shipping to you whatever that can be. But, again..... do not expect miracle and your system start to perform much better.
 

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Hi Rima. Yes, the most of them are designed to use with Offsetdishes. Also i have a Invacom ADF-120 Feedhorn and another fixed Feedhorn tested with Inverto Black Pro Single, Inverto flange Quad and Invacom SNF 031. I take a look at eBay. at, de uk for the gi 209 but didn´t find it.
Try something like aerial.sk at Home - they seem to have them in droves, and will ship to Austria.
(never done business with them, so this is NOT an endorsement, it just a finding from browsing the net.)
 

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Thanks for the tips. I´ve ordered a GI 209 and tested it. Unfortunately it gaves less Signal than my best lnb the octagon twin. The Signal strength on the low 2e tp´s is about 10 percent lower. The best tp was 10729 with mer 7,3 with the octagon twin.
 
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Thanks for the tips. I´ve ordered a GI 209 and tested it. Unfortunately it gaves less Signal than my best lnb the octagon twin. The Signal strength on the low 2e tp´s is about 10 percent lower. The best tp was 10729 with mer 7,3 with the octagon twin.
That is quite baffling... you must have quite a special dish.

As discussed in earlier post, if the GI 209 does not give better results, then the chances of finding a "magic feed-horn" than delivers dramatic increases in reception are quite slim.
Only feedhorn alternative I know of could (and only just could) be the SMW XM-601, which has the f/D specced between 0.45 and 0.65 (with 0.55 being ideal, as their OA-800, 1050 and 1400 reflectors were).
You may find these from time to time on e-bay (but I can't find any at the moment).

The only other options I see are to review your dish thoroughly - maybe someone fitted non-original feedarms at some point, and the feed is nowhere near in the focus point?
With your measurements, you can calculate the exact distance that the feed needs to be from the centre of the dish.
Several members, perhaps most notably @RimaNTSS, can elaborate on how you do that.
Then you can check if the feed is dead-center, and at the right distance.

If all this fails, there is still the possible, but perhaps devastating possibility that your 2.4 meter dish was
a) either badly made, ie. the shape is nowhere near the perfect parabola, or
b) the dish was originally made for C-band, which means that Ku-band performance may be bad no matter what you point at.

The parabola shape you can check by carefully (!) measuring point along a diameter, and try and approximate a paraboloid to those measurements.
Then measure all around the dish to make sure it is radially consistent (as seen when rotating the dish along the mid-axis).
This will take time, and is best peformed indoors with dish lying on it's back.

The C-band possiblity can be checked by pointing dish as 19.2E, and compare the strength (on your Rover) with reception info from a "normal" sized steel dish as the same location pointing at 19.2E.
You should be getting at least 10 dB more signal from 19.2E, depending on the size of the small dish.
If you get much less, he dish may not be up for the task...
 
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Hi!

Today i made a test with the ADF-120 and Inverto Black Pro Flange Single with the folowing results.
10891 6,7 10906 6,9 10714 7,1 10729 6,8 10758 6,6 10773 6,4 10788 6,0 10818 6,3
 

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Hi Rima. Yes, the most of them are designed to use with Offsetdishes. Also i have a Invacom ADF-120 Feedhorn and another fixed Feedhorn tested with Inverto Black Pro Single, Inverto flange Quad and Invacom SNF 031. I take a look at eBay. at, de uk for the gi 209 but didn´t find it.


I have found a couple of Channel Master feeds in the shed whilst looking for other things, they will need a new waterproof membrane though, unless you are installing on an inverted dish system.
 

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My dish is optimized to astra 2e. Ok this values are low, but compared to other Enthusiast the Signal is okay. The europe beam Comes with SNR 13 - 19,3.
 
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Hi!

Today i made a test with the ADF-120 and Inverto Black Pro Flange Single with the folowing results.
10891 6,7 10906 6,9 10714 7,1 10729 6,8 10758 6,6 10773 6,4 10788 6,0 10818 6,3
Great stuff!
Does that mean you're watching tv or sat-meter screens?
 
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