New HD channels on Tivu card

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There is something weird going on here. Ive got a blue Tivusat card & cam which I got about 5-6 years ago - and its working on ALL the RAI & Mediaset channels both SD & HD.

There really is.
The blue card should indeed also support HD. See my recent post in the other tivusat topic.

Is this a CAM problem?
Or just a scanning problem? (What scanning options do you have? Also blind scan, or network scan? And did you try manual scan?)

I'm a bit puzzled.

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I believe you need a gold card for HD. I've seen both receivers for sale with gold cards included so if you can get activated gold cards the channels *should* be restored.

This is incorrect, all cards should be capable of HD.
 
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Thanks guys, I will try to factory reset the Sab box tomorrow and go through the TP’s and frequency’s before I do a rescan, hopefully it is a old frequency issue.
 
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Sorry for not updating.

I’m thinking it’s a case of needing to reset the box to factory and add TP’s and rescan, as the box was installed and TP’s were added a long time ago, Am I right in thinking channels may have moved TP/frequency completely? I’m just gathering everything I need online now to hopefully sort it all out for my grandma tomorrow.

This may sound dumb to most experienced members but I got to ask just so I don’t screw my grans tv up!

here goes, so I reset the box to factory then add all the hot bird e13 TP’s and then run a scan and pray for the best? What’s the best practice of doing this all from a fresh install? Anything to look out for in the settings at all? I’ve been reading about TP’s and polarity etc, I just want to go into it tomorrow with as much info so I can troubleshoot if things don’t go to plan, any tips would be appreciated to get it done smoothly... are there any automated options for updating TP frequencies on the fly,

Does anyone know of a hot bird 13e frequency list purely for italian channels so I can print it off and add them to the box prior to scanning? Or just use the kingofsat/fly sat lists?

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Factory reset, do a scan. Then add transponders for missing channels. If no joy then reset again, delete all the transponders and add the ones for the channels you want and scan.
I’m just baffled as I mentioned in one of my previous posts, all the HD channels at the moment don’t work at all, they’re all scrambled and I’m hoping it’s because the frequency’s are old and the HD channels have moved frequency since 4-6 years ago...

Her other more “newer” box, all the Rai HD channels are working just fine... at first I was under the impression perhaps it was the tivusat card but I tested it with a gold card and still nothing HD worked, so fingers crossed it’s just different frequencies.

I just need to get that sorted and also get back her Cielo And TV2000 channels which have both moved to HD.
 

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Ah well it should just be a case of adding the transponders & scan on the receiver where RAI HD is working.

Which box is working? Do both cards work on it? If so it might the case that the old box just doesn't support the encryption used on the HD channels.
 
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Ah well it should just be a case of adding the transponders & scan on the receiver where RAI HD is working.

Which box is working? Do both cards work on it? If so it might the case that the old box just doesn't support the encryption used on the HD channels.
The I-CAN 3900s seems to be working (with both cards (blue/gold) ) the Sab Sky HD 4900 is what’s the problem and what I’ll be tackling tomorrow but it is the more older installation that she has, I think this Sab box was installed back in 2012 sometime whereas the ICAN 3900s was installed around 2016.

I think the Sab Sky HD 4900 should work with HD channels, I think I read somewhere that it was capable.. not sure though.

this is the box: SAB HD 4900 HDTV Satellite Receiver for Tivusat: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics

it has definitely been discontinued from what I can see, Sabsatellite.nl I believe is the companies website and there’s an announcement on there that states they no longer sell receivers.
 
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The I-CAN appears on the certified list:


But no sign of the SAB
 

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here goes, so I reset the box to factory then add all the hot bird e13 TP’s and then run a scan and pray for the best?

The problem with a factory reset is, that ALL settings are lost and reset to default.
So if there is just a problem with scanning, you're shooting with a canon at a mosquito, so to say.
A factory reset is only usefull, 'when all else fails', when you have messed up your settings, or when you assume there is a 'corruption' in the software.
As you change settings with a factory reset, the diagnosis what is wrong is often more difficult after a reset, than without a reset!

As you didn't answer all the questions above (by ozumo an me), this is what I would do (I asked about your scanning options, in a previous post, but I looked them up in the internet manual myself now):

First try a Preset scan,
with FTA only: NO
and Network Search: YES.

Now, do all the regional TGR3 channels at 11013H come up? With picture, or with the warning 'scrambled channel'?

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Thanks everyone for the advice.

The issue for the I-CAN receiver not having Cielo / TV2000 and various other channels was due to bad cable, when I got there this morning I added the new TPs for Cielo HD and TV2000 and when I scanned that TP for channels, it was showing that the “Signal Strength” was good but the “Signal Quality” was literally 0.

so I quickly researched what this meant and apparently it means there was something wrong with the wire/cable from the LNB to the receiver, when inspecting, the cable indeed had various cracks and splits and over time I’m assuming it degraded the signal quality.

I completely re-wired the cable from the LNB to the I-CAN receiver and that sorted that one out completely, rescanned various TPs and picked up loads of channels she never even had before.

For the SAB Sky HD 4900, whilst I was re-wiring the LNB for the I-CAN receiver I also noticed that the dish had slightly moved (i used an app on my phone “Satellite Finder” to realign the dish, I think it worked well!).

So once I had sorted the I-CAN and realigned the dish, I literally added the new TP’s for the SAB Sky HD 4900, Rai 1 HD, Rai 2 HD etc and did a scan, picked up all the channels and also the Cielo HD/TV2000.

was a long day but at least my grandma is happy and has her channels back, plus more and all in HD!

I’ve got to now try and find some sort of channel list editor or a way of easily sorting out the channels for her (SAB SKY HD 4900) as there’s a lot of channels to go through otherwise, anyone know how I can easily do this on a computer or something?

thanks again guys.
 

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Result - nice one. If the cable had split it would have had water in it - that can attenuate different frequencies by different amounts. Ive had that happent to me - half the frequencies awol, half more or less unaffected!

Almost all receivers have favourites you can set up. Assuming that receiver does thats probably the easiest way to group together the most desired channels
 
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Result - nice one. If the cable had split it would have had water in it - that can attenuate different frequencies by different amounts. Ive had that happent to me - half the frequencies awol, half more or less unaffected!

Almost all receivers have favourites you can set up. Assuming that receiver does thats probably the easiest way to group together the most desired channels
Yeah, that’s probably why I never thought to even look at the cable as the Rai 1, 2, 3 etc worked just fine, it was just the Cielo/TV2000 channels that disappeared when I began investigating! cable was cracked and almost broken in some places! (Multiple places!)

yes there are favourite lists I saw but I’m an IT guy by trade and I thought maybe I could make light-work of the process on a computer during my own work :D!

also, I can confirm, that the blue type (dashed polka dotted which doesn’t have the letters HD on the card) tivusat card does still work for HD decryption, this entire thread I posted, I was thinking it had to do with the card but it has nothing to do with the card, it was Rai HD channels that were added presumably when the box was installed and had moved TPs since and no longer worked.
 
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There are editors for some receivers. Not all by any stretch of the imagination, computer based editors tend to be available for either receivers with a network interface that allows access to stream via the lan or putting the desired channel list onto a pen drive & flashing it over.
 
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There are editors for some receivers. Not all by any stretch of the imagination, computer based editors tend to be available for either receivers with a network interface that allows access to stream via the lan or putting the desired channel list onto a pen drive & flashing it over.
I was indeed looking for a solution by using a usb drive method, I’ve found this but it’s not for the same model just the same brand Dvbstand.com Download SW but I’m not sure if it’ll work with the 4900 or how to flash it over, going to do a little more digging.

edit: just seen this one: SetEdit sort channels with the PC seems generic?
 

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Juast be careful when using any editor especially generic ones, whilst it should be safe, if anything goes wrong you could risk bricking the receiver. Which as an IT guy you will see the perils of - there is no guarantee of an easy fix!
 

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Nice one :Y
Deleting and moving channels can be a pain but if you can select multiple channels at once it shouldn't take too long.
 
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Nice one :Y
Deleting and moving channels can be a pain but if you can select multiple channels at once it shouldn't take too long.
Tell me about it... I was sitting there for over an hour scrolling through thousands of channels
 
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