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Lazarus

Lazarus

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Yes that's another security that's easy to breach to the hackers, contact less cards
Will keep an eye on that .... Haven't been issued with one yet, but no doubt will be at next renewal.
 
Lazarus

Lazarus

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So what's your intensions demote greens mods and reds who use one/are ban them ?

Sorry, not only didn't see Topper's earlier Post on the matter, but have been studying the inside of my eyelids.

The answer is, we don't yet have an answer that will be fair to all potential Parties. It's just a back-burner idea at present. We certainly wouldn't want any unintended consequences.

Bit like Government, I guess. Only much better, obvs.
 
Journey

Journey

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Nord for the 2 year deal after converting usd to gbp is about £45 for 2 years.
Does Nord include the dedicated IP option you spoke of earlier in the thread ?
 
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Archive-8

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Does Nord include the dedicated IP option you spoke of earlier in the thread ?
No, you add the coupon code dedicatedip at the checkout to add to your new account.

Its a paid extra service, it was an extra $70 a year.

And then you pick the server you want permanent access to and they set it up.
 
Captain Jack

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My 2c from someone who works with this stuff day-in and day-out. While using a VPN for 'banking' (or whatever information sensitive site you choose) can, on paper, provide extra security, in reality it doesn't really do anything in home situations, except slow down your connection.

What's most important is that the site in question uses up-to-date SSL encryption (https in the address bar) with appropriate/secure ciphers. There have been many advances to crack various SSL incarnations but the likes of banking sites have been quick to plug those holes by using secure versions. By 'secure versions', I mean using certificates with long length keys (2048 bits and up together with SHA256) and nothing other than TLS - preferably version 1.2. SSL v2 and v3 are no longer considered secure and TLS v1.0 and 1.1 have some weaknesses (but are generally OK). You can either check your site's encryption protocol within your browser or, better, use something like SSL Server Test (Powered by Qualys SSL Labs) to test your target site.

A little background: HTTPS works by encrypting your data using a public SSL certificate that is sent by the site - the longer the key length of the certificate (along with SHA256 cipher), the more secure your data is. Encryption is done by your browser, so all communication to the server is encrypted from this point forth (a so-called 'secure channel' is set up during initial handshakes - this is why there's a short initial delay when accessing secure sites for the first time) and is pretty much immune to any attacks. If someone manages to read the stream of data between your browser and the server (man in the middle attack), they won't see anything other than gobbledy gook. This encryption is far more secure than your satellite encryption due to key-lengths employed. At the server end, the data is decrypted by the private key, which is a counterpart of the public certificate. Both are created at the time of the initial certificate/key/CSR generation routine (a CSR, or Certificate Signing Request, is used by signing authorities to sign your cert). Think of it as a lock and key - both are matched and both are useless without the other.

It would take maaaaany years to crack encrypted data, should someone get hold of it, and with typical certificate validity periods of 1 year, the chances of it happening are very slim.

Now, the VPN tunnel is also encrypted, so when accessing an HTTPS site, you are essentially applying encryption over encryption. Sounds good but what does it really do? VPN has to terminate somewhere - typically your VPN service provider. So, your encrypted *encrypted* data leaves your computer to a remote location beyond your ISP, who then decrypt VPN traffic to further forward it on... From that point on, it's no more secure than it is without VPN - you're just adding additional hops for your data to jump through. And if you're not visiting a secure site, your VPN provider can read all your traffic - in plain text.

Who do you trust more - your ISP or your random VPN provider? I know who I'd rather send my data to.

So what does it do for security? Nothing. It just shifts it to another organisation. If someone installs a sniffer on your computer, no VPN will help you. But what if they hack your Wi-Fi? Well, if you use WEP or simple passwords, it's your own fault. Further, if your VPN connection is handled by your router then all traffic between your computer and your router/Wi-Fi point remains the same as it is without the VPN.

The *only* time I would use a VPN is to visit blocked or geo-blocked sites, doing something dodgy (to hide my identity) or if I was on a potentially untrusted network, such as open public Wi-Fi spots. In reality, I do none of those - most sites these days are SSL encrypted so all traffic is likely to be encrypted anyway. And if I was to use VPN, it would be a VPN back to my home - a location that I trust and not some 3rd party VPN vendor.

None of this applies in case of a bog-standard home network, connected to a UK ISP, accessing satellites.co.uk, so there's absolutely no need for it. Unless you're trying to hide...
 
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My bank clerks have been trying to persuade me for years to register an account in their website.
"And Sir, if you don't know how to use the internet, we would be happy to teach you".
I tell them that I don't trust their website.
My nightmare is that someone would register in my name (identity theft). That shouldn't be too difficult.
 
sonnetpete

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Seperate 80 cm dish on 28E with a Humax Freesat for SWMBO.
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Lazarus

Lazarus

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How quaint!












A Keyboard :-wow:lol:
 
william-1

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Raven 88cm Mesh Dish + TM-1 0.1
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PaulR

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Only after you've been neutered. :-rofl2
 
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