Astra 2F: European Beam Transfers Starting?

[Zorba]

Has 12.480V moved to 2F ?

 

[trigger]

Has 12.480V moved to 2F ?

I think not as we got this back in the Canaries. We had it before and lost it. When we lost it you gained it. Can't remember but might have been same time as we got True movies back and I assume you lost them???

 

[strs65]

Has 12.480V moved to 2F ?

I also wonder where it moved because I lost it completely...

 

[Zorba]

That's right. But on Friday CH4 on 12.480 V has dropped in signal level but still works on a 3m . Used to work fine on a 1.5mdish.

 

[solly]

@Zorba
it move 2a north beam we got it 5 c.n with 4.5m here

 

[Huevos]

What is it with you lot about a Canaries lobe? That is a 19.2E thing so the sats can be used by Spanish broadcasters. If it is shown on a map it is a mistake. 2F's aerial system was no way designed with with Canaries in mind. It's for UK viewers.

 

[davidcmadrid]

12480V is SNR 58% on 1.2m mot / LNB here in Madrid.

 

[davidcmadrid]

What is it with you lot about a Canaries lobe? That is a 19.2E thing so the sats can be used by Spanish broadcasters. If it is shown on a map it is a mistake. 2F's aerial system was no way designed with with Canaries in mind. It's for UK viewers.

I think people believe if some tps have moved to 2F its to the PE beam which according to the bumf from SES should have covered the canaries.

Generally im confused , but i dont think its as simple as saying "everything" moved to 2F. All that was confirmed is that Astra 2B is leaving and 2F is staying. How 2Bs tps were distrubuted is a different matter among the remaining birds.

 

[oldfart]

Best thing to do is probably start a new thread in this section with details of the high and low power tp's and we might be able to see a pattern. If its stuck in this thread the info will get lost very quickly!

Good idea - but reception reports only, no blah blah.
Best specify which frequencies!

 

[BLUEPLATINUM]

What is it with you lot about a Canaries lobe? That is a 19.2E thing so the sats can be used by Spanish broadcasters. If it is shown on a map it is a mistake. 2F's aerial system was no way designed with with Canaries in mind. It's for UK viewers.

By that argument there shouldn't be any pan-European beam then, there should just be the UK spot beam.

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[trigger]

What is it with you lot about a Canaries lobe? That is a 19.2E thing so the sats can be used by Spanish broadcasters. If it is shown on a map it is a mistake. 2F's aerial system was no way designed with with Canaries in mind. It's for UK viewers.

If its just for UK viewers why have a European beam?
I agree that it's not been built with the Canaries in mind at all but having European beams gives flexibility for the future. Missing the Canaries out means they can never ever use this bird for Spanish TV.

 

[welshman234]

If its just for UK viewers why have a European beam? I agree that it's not been built with the Canaries in mind at all but having European beams gives flexibility for the future. Missing the Canaries out means they can never ever use this bird for Spanish TV.

If you move the beam south and west and take spain as the focal point it should hit the canaries surely.....

 

[Zorba]

12480V is SNR 58% on 1.2m mot / LNB here in Madrid.

Is that better than the previous week ?

 

[Huevos]

Ok, I have started a signal report only thread here.

 

[Analoguesat]

Why?

 

[davidcmadrid]

Is that better than the previous week ?

I cant say , i havent kept records for this ( or other /blush ) TP. However its not as strong by any measure as the supposed Astra 2f European beam nor the 1N PE beams.

My usefullness though is somehwat diminished by lack of record keeping im also just confused and my suppositions dont take account of the fact ( i suppose ) that SNR between one tp and another can vary even if from the same bird though I think that doesnt explain the relative weakness on this tp though that could be due to wild amateur supposition coupled with overenthusiasm ... if it in reality is on a european beam. I dont even know if its possible for differing companies to " hire " different transmission power levels on the same bird/ beam shape which could really screw up even the best wild ass guess.

 

[solly]

the signal level from 2f need to more power then 1n pe beam
that why 1n pe 1 dificulte got it camll dish 1.8n need 4m and then to get 24/7

 

[iandoh]

Channel 4 (12480V) is on 2A north, signal EXTREMELY strong here. Could prob catch it on a 35cm dish

 

[M60]

The fact that some of the UK spot TP's are coming in with C/N levels comparable to, say 12207V which is on the PE beam does suggest the PE beam EiRP is lower than what SES were possibly going to run with and thus the dBw or dish size contours are wrong. On SES's site it states the Canaries lobe being in the 1.2m contour, if people with bigger dish sizes are getting nothing then there's potentially a power reduction?

Not wanting to speculate but it's possible Sky had a disagreement with SES and if extra money was involved to SES for what the new birds were capable of power-wise and Sky didn't want to pay then SES have simply set the EiRP's per TP back to that of 2B. If this is the case then there's argument that you could reduce the EiRP of all the spot TP's on 2F too which would then make the UK spot even tighter.

 

[Huevos]

it's possible Sky had a disagreement with SES and if extra money was involved to SES for what the new birds were capable of power-wise and Sky didn't want to pay then SES have simply set the EiRP's per TP back to that of 2B. If this is the case then there's argument that you could reduce the EiRP of all the spot TP's on 2F too which would then make the UK spot even tighter.

Sounds like a lot of nonsense to me. There are 38,000 Brits across the Canary Islands (falling with the financial crisis). Average 20,000 households. Probably less than 25% have direct satellite TV due to lack of space and the dish sizes involved. That's 5,000 homes. Going by what I see here on the Costa Blanca I would say less than 1 in 20 have a paid subscription to Sky (and even then it is normally just entertainment). That gives about 250 subscriptions.

Do you really believe a company like Sky, that has 10.6 million households subscribed, and is increasing its subscriber base by 2,300 per day would be squabbling with SES over a sidelobe to keep connected this handful of Expats who are breaking their terms and conditions? The whole idea is ludicrous.