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<blockquote data-quote="bigtee" data-source="post: 699940" data-attributes="member: 238440"><p>Again, I get your point. But note your own careful language i.e. "the law is <em>effectively</em> in stasis". Of course anytime an appeal is filed/pending, the particular matter is still 'live' and technically can go either way and thus the matter, maybe not even the law, is "effectively" in stasis; but in general the status prior to the filing/determination of the appeal remains. <em>Today</em> Karen Murphy is not just "effectively" but <em>really</em> a convict ---- unless and until her appeal is successful. It is not a situation of we don't know whether she is a convict until her appeal; she <em>is presently</em> a convict until the appeal is decided and unless decided in her favour. </p><p></p><p>Further, even if we agree that the law is unclear as you say, because the Court of Appeal is considering the matter, the last and extant decision is one declaring illegality of the actions in question.* Thus, I have also been careful to state that the actions are currently illegal <em>subject to the Court of Appeal decision</em>. The bottom line is that <em>unless the Court of Appeal reverses the lower court</em>, the actions concerned are illegal. I think that way of putting it is more true to the situation in that not only does it show that, as you say, the law is unclear, it does not leave things bare as it makes clear how the courts have seen the actions (as illegal) so far.</p><p></p><p>*EDIT . . . as the Court of Appeal has not ruled on the substantive issues other than wanting some guidance from the ECJ</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bigtee, post: 699940, member: 238440"] Again, I get your point. But note your own careful language i.e. "the law is [i]effectively[/i] in stasis". Of course anytime an appeal is filed/pending, the particular matter is still 'live' and technically can go either way and thus the matter, maybe not even the law, is "effectively" in stasis; but in general the status prior to the filing/determination of the appeal remains. [i]Today[/i] Karen Murphy is not just "effectively" but [i]really[/i] a convict ---- unless and until her appeal is successful. It is not a situation of we don't know whether she is a convict until her appeal; she [i]is presently[/i] a convict until the appeal is decided and unless decided in her favour. Further, even if we agree that the law is unclear as you say, because the Court of Appeal is considering the matter, the last and extant decision is one declaring illegality of the actions in question.* Thus, I have also been careful to state that the actions are currently illegal [i]subject to the Court of Appeal decision[/i]. The bottom line is that [i]unless the Court of Appeal reverses the lower court[/i], the actions concerned are illegal. I think that way of putting it is more true to the situation in that not only does it show that, as you say, the law is unclear, it does not leave things bare as it makes clear how the courts have seen the actions (as illegal) so far. *EDIT . . . as the Court of Appeal has not ruled on the substantive issues other than wanting some guidance from the ECJ [/QUOTE]
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