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bbc bbc2 bb3 itv 1 iv2 ...etc on a small dish HOW??
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<blockquote data-quote="satfinder68" data-source="post: 227698" data-attributes="member: 232285"><p>Hello to the forum.</p><p>I find this topic quite interesting so I'd like to add some points.</p><p>I agree with Analoguesat this project would raise many legal concerns,but from the "ethics" point of view,we should remember what the bbc's policy has been so far.</p><p>When the bbc first went to satellite,they used encryption because of the wider beam and for copyright reasons,and even tied the cards to your postcode! So you could only receive your regional bbc1 version.</p><p>Do you remember all the phone calls and emails sent to the bbc to ask to unlock this regional block in order to let people receive the right region because of some inaccuracy in the postcode system?</p><p>The answer always was that for copyright and similar issues the bbc couldn't do anything about that.</p><p>Then,suddenly,all this concern didn't matter anymore in 2003,when the bbc decided to go free to air to save the encryption expenses.</p><p>What about the copyright issues? Doesn't the bbc buy program rights(American shows,sport events etc.) for showing in the UK only?</p><p>No problem,says the bbc,we'll move all our services to astra2d which has a tighter beam,so people abroad will need to buy huge dishes in order to get the signal.</p><p>This is not true.We all know that a 60-80cm dish is good enough to receive astra2d in France,Benelux,Switzerland,north-west Italy.</p><p>Everybody there,british expat or not,can easily watch all bbc channels without giving them a single penny(and of course no tv licence is needed).</p><p>Also,what about the local free and pay tv channels there? They usually have exclusive rights to broadcast programs in those areas. </p><p>The bbc are surely violating copyright laws by transmitting FTA on satellite.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now,let's go back to the rumours about this new satellite service.</p><p>I think that the main concern for a company trying this is to find a satellite operator willing to lease them the single transponder needed to transmit the channels.</p><p>With Eutelsat and Astra obviously being out of question,here's the 22West option,assuming(but it's very unlikely) the operator is satisfied with the fact the channels are already available fta in many parts of Europe(but this wouldn't apply to ch4 and 5).</p><p>On the UPC cable holland website,they offer bbc1 and 2 on their basic package,and even bbc3 and 4 as an extra option!What does the bbc do to stop this?Does any UPC subscriber pay the licence fee?Somebody says there is some sort of agreement between the bbc and upc,but even this way opens up legal concerns about copyright laws.</p><p>And don't forget the many aerial re-broadcasts in Spain,even there nothing particular seems to happen from the bbc.</p><p></p><p>Well,I think it's very unlikely this service will start,but it's right to say the bbc have their faults.</p><p></p><p>Best regards to the forum,and any replies from members(particularly Analoguesat) will be appreciated.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="satfinder68, post: 227698, member: 232285"] Hello to the forum. I find this topic quite interesting so I'd like to add some points. I agree with Analoguesat this project would raise many legal concerns,but from the "ethics" point of view,we should remember what the bbc's policy has been so far. When the bbc first went to satellite,they used encryption because of the wider beam and for copyright reasons,and even tied the cards to your postcode! So you could only receive your regional bbc1 version. Do you remember all the phone calls and emails sent to the bbc to ask to unlock this regional block in order to let people receive the right region because of some inaccuracy in the postcode system? The answer always was that for copyright and similar issues the bbc couldn't do anything about that. Then,suddenly,all this concern didn't matter anymore in 2003,when the bbc decided to go free to air to save the encryption expenses. What about the copyright issues? Doesn't the bbc buy program rights(American shows,sport events etc.) for showing in the UK only? No problem,says the bbc,we'll move all our services to astra2d which has a tighter beam,so people abroad will need to buy huge dishes in order to get the signal. This is not true.We all know that a 60-80cm dish is good enough to receive astra2d in France,Benelux,Switzerland,north-west Italy. Everybody there,british expat or not,can easily watch all bbc channels without giving them a single penny(and of course no tv licence is needed). Also,what about the local free and pay tv channels there? They usually have exclusive rights to broadcast programs in those areas. The bbc are surely violating copyright laws by transmitting FTA on satellite. Now,let's go back to the rumours about this new satellite service. I think that the main concern for a company trying this is to find a satellite operator willing to lease them the single transponder needed to transmit the channels. With Eutelsat and Astra obviously being out of question,here's the 22West option,assuming(but it's very unlikely) the operator is satisfied with the fact the channels are already available fta in many parts of Europe(but this wouldn't apply to ch4 and 5). On the UPC cable holland website,they offer bbc1 and 2 on their basic package,and even bbc3 and 4 as an extra option!What does the bbc do to stop this?Does any UPC subscriber pay the licence fee?Somebody says there is some sort of agreement between the bbc and upc,but even this way opens up legal concerns about copyright laws. And don't forget the many aerial re-broadcasts in Spain,even there nothing particular seems to happen from the bbc. Well,I think it's very unlikely this service will start,but it's right to say the bbc have their faults. Best regards to the forum,and any replies from members(particularly Analoguesat) will be appreciated. [/QUOTE]
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