Yeh, saw that too. It is reported as working with Gbox in slots and Camd with external phoenix reader. It is so long since I used Gbox and I have config files all over the place. It took all night to go through all the card files with each EMU that I haven't been able to look too closely at the configs. I am not too pushed, as I had never programmed a card (first intro to satellite was the dreambox) and had always wanted to give it a go. I had the phoenix programmer from last March when I used Gbox to read the Sly card, so I though Cerebro would be a good one to try. I will have more time at he weekend to mess about, as I am supposed to be tiling my bathrooms in the evenings this week. I should be able to whack in the dragon with predetor 3.20 before that though.