England WC06 - My short review

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Having given time for the dust to settle, here are my views of England’s performance and other issues of this World Cup.

Squad selection:
One feels that the writing was on the wall when he only selected four strikers. Did he not see that there was a good probability that either Owen or Rooney would not be fit? And since his so Italian in his approach, why did he not select five strikers, namely Owen, Rooney, Crouch, Defoe, and Bent, just as Lippi selected five strikers; Del Piero, Toni, Gilardino, Iaquinta, Inzaghi. Bringing Walcott was, quite simply as waste, just as bring Jermaine Jenas was.


442 or 451 versus Portugal:
Owen’s injury, and Sven self-inflicted lack of back-up appeared to force England into playing 451, but then again, in a World Cup surely you must take the chance, and for me Crouch should have partnered Rooney, England could have been 2-0 up at half-time, and then take off Rooney and guard the lead, just as we guarded with 10 MEAN for nearly an hour. As Sven has said before, you worry about one game at-a-time, so why was he worried about the semi then? No good if you don’t get there.

The performances of France, Italy, and Germany have shown that attacking football leads to success, and the 451 did not facilitate such aggressive play

Beckham vs Lennon:
I think Beckham wasn’t as good as his been in the past, and quite simply that’s because he isn’t as good as before. Don’t get me wrong, I have much admiration for the way he came back to defence, and the fact remains is that he scored/assisted in most of England’s goals, but was he playing at the expense of Lennon, who when he did come, provided a far more aggressive threat to the oppositions box, and provided Lampard with an reasonable chance that he didn’t put away.

Rooney & Ronaldo:
I won’t dwell on this, but what I will say is that, although for me he did not mean to stamp on Carvalho, he DID push Ronaldo, BUT Ronaldo was clearly provoking him. I say yellow cards to both Rooney and Ronaldo. End of discussion.

Lampard vs Hargreaves:
If only the World Cup had come a summer earlier. He looked unimaginative and off the mark, and I feel it may well cost him his place of McLaren does have some balls – we can but hope! If Lampard were to be dropped, the only replacement must surely be Hargreaves, who was England’s man of the tournament, almost ever-present in the heat of the action, he made us all eat our words.

Refereeing at this World Cup:
As we saw against Netherlands, and again versus England and France, Portugal have single-handily demonstrated that diving and intimidating of officials DOES get you somewhere, although I do qualify that by saying that Maniche was the Portugese player who did play, and must surely be respected for not becoming involved.
I think it is time for the authorities, FIFA, UEFA, the FA etc etc to set out to change this mentality of unsportsmanlike behaviour.

Video officials WILL NOT do this. I believe that by introducing video, it makes the on-pitch referee point-less, and could well reduce the game to technical ‘calls’. Also, it appears to be that the rules would be made to accept that diving as an accepted part of the game, and that is not desirable. Instead, I propose that, just as we have a disciplinary panel for the Premiership, their power should be extended so that they can retrospectively review player’s behaviour, especially in respect of ‘simulation’ and if a player is found to repeatedly attempt to deceive the ref, or intimidate the ref, lengthy bans, injunction with heavy fines should be introduced. The aim would be to change the mentality of players, and prevent them from thinking they could get away with it. I want such players to be made villains by their own fans, team mates, and manager.

Euro 2008:
I think that despite the disappointment of this World Cup, England still has a very good chance at Euro 2008; much of the squad will still be the same, and by then with more experience, and as the progress of Italy and France have shown, experience counts for a lot. With the news that Beckham is to step down as captain, this is McLaren’s opportunity to blood Lennon into the team, so that by the final tournament, Lennon is extremely comfortable with in the first team. Here’s my hoped/predicted starting XI for Euro 2008:

--------------------Robinson------------------------

Neville---------Terry-------Ferdinand----------A. Cole

-------------------Hargreaves-----------------------

Lennon----------------------------------------J. Cole

---------------------Gerrard-------------------------

------------------------------Rooney----------------

--------------Owen/Crouch--------------------------
 

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firstly, great post ;)
my thoughts on the strikers...
i said this in may... and i still stand by it, i was right!!!
http://www.satellites.co.uk/php-bin/forum/showpost.php?p=338212&postcount=9

i had a discussion at work right at the beggining of the world cup, it was about how England had... for a change a very telented squad full of world class players...
in the past we have tried to stumble our way through with only 1 or 2 world class players, but the lads at work thought we now had more like 6 or 7... i did say somewhere else on this forum i still thought we only had about 3 (cant find the post now :( )

anyway, could it be that we are just not as good as we think we are???
 

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I think ur a little harsh on Crouch, his proven many wrong this WC, and the way he held up the ball vs Portugal was actually better than what Rooney was doing.

I cant disagree with bring Marlon Harewood, I'd have personally brought Defoe, but we all have a preferences.

Also, many people have said England still only have 3 world class players - John Terry, Steven Gerrard or Joe Cole, and Wayne Rooney - but I think thats very unfair to Ashley Cole, Gary Neville, and (when fit) Michael Owen. Do you think Lampard should be dropped for Hargreaves like I do?
 

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Nice first post Salty25,

Though disagree with no video ref's as the referee's need help to spot the cheat's and diver's they can't be expected to do it all.
Cricket has video replay's when the umpire needs it, and no one thinks he is use-less.

As for John Terry, Steve Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Joe Cole, Gary Neville and Michael Owen being thought of as world-class don't think so.
Good, or sometimes very good premiership player's may-be, but to be world class you have be good at the top level of the game, like in a World Cup but these players never reached those height's.
A lot of the blame has to be heaped on Ericsson, but these players should have done better, as they say cream always rises and they didn't.

Ashley Cole and Rio after their performance's at Euro 94 World Class yes, as I'm sure Rooney will be.
Just one last point well done Owen Hargreaves he certainly proved me wrong, and well done Rio Ferdinand as they were the only two player's who impressed me.
 

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hargreaves played really well in this world cup.... i hope its not a flash in the pan because we were playing in his home Germany, hope it continues :)

as for crouch, im still not comfortable when he plays... he upsets the way england play.... the fact he has score a few goals recently has just made him look better than he is in my opinion...

Defoe... he is a great player, but he doesnt find the net as much as he should!! i based my decision on the in form players.

Goals last season

Bent 18
Rooney 16
Harewood 14
Crouch 13
Defoe 9
Jenus 8
Owen 7
 

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Good posts in here guys and nice first one salty. I think Sven is tactically inept and, as Lawro said, England got as far as they did despite Sven and not because of him. We could have played 4 at the back protected by Hargreaves, 3 in midfield and 2 up front. Players have to be mobile with that formation but I reckon it's the best. Good defence and then attacking options. We were playing long ball stuff most of the time and how a so-called International manager thinks the ball lobbed up in the air to Rooney up front on his own will work, well I can't believe it.

Bent FIFA, led by equally bent Septic Blatter (the buyer of votes to keep him at the helm) should stamp out (no pun lol) simulation and the holding up of imaginary cards. At WC 06 we had a ref, 2 assistants, a 4th official AND a 5th official yet they couldn't stop the cheating. They don't have a mandate obviously. Yet it is so easy to stop it and I think most supporters know how. So, for some reason or another, it's can't be in the interest of someone or others to put a stop to it. I don't know why.
I think a video review panel should look at games the next day and adjust cards given wrongly and ban players who obviously cheat or hold up imaginary cards. It will stop within a month.
 

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if anything has been learned by this world cup, it is that cheating is good!!

Italy, got to the final by a dive for a penalty in desperation at the end of the Australia match, scored and went through!!

France scored from a fee kick against spain, by another dive by thierry henry!!
its a shame.

the point about Sven is a valid one..... what i ask myself is this.

when all 11 players on the pitch dont play as good as they do for their club week in week out, even though they should be walking tall with the 3 lions on their chest!!! and adrenelin pumping, whats the problem???

it has to be the manager, positions and tactics....
and also the fact a swedish manager doesnt roar pride into the team, like a good shouting would from an englishman.

the sad part is, i really dont thing Steve Maclaren is any better..... being english is the only qualification he has better than Sven! although i hope he proves me wrong.. i really do
 

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What I really can't understand, is how everyone apart from FIFA realised that stepping up action against fouls, without stepping up action against diving and feigning injury, would lead to more cheating.

To me it seemed obvious what this would achieve and on watching the match last night, it would appear that even media slow motion replay scrutiny of every dive, is not forcing FIFA's hand and hence the players still seem to think that it is acceptable and some previously fair players appear to be adopting the, "If you can't beat them", join them attitude.


Back to the England squad though. :)

There will always be difference in opinions as to who should have been taken, as I have never known an England manager who has as much knowledge about picking the England team and game tactics as the blokes down at my local. It is obviously just coincidence that we have the top 20 football experts in the country, all drinking at the same pub:-lmao

Like most here, I probably would have picked a slightly different squad, but think that the main reason for failure with the given squad, was formation and tactics. A better manager, I am sure would have utilised the resources better and achieved more committed play and hence a better outcome.

I see now on the news, that the FA are trying to lay the blame of the poor performance on the Wives and Girlfriends being in Germany. :-lmao

Oh well, that's good, I would hate to think that it had been the manager's fault, as that would have meant the FA had squandered several million pounds on his inflated salary. ;)
 

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rolfw said:
There will always be difference in opinions as to who should have been taken, as I have never known an England manager who has as much knowledge about picking the England team and game tactics as the blokes down at my local. It is obviously just coincidence that we have the top 20 football experts in the country, all drinking at the same pub:-lmao

Well, you mates can't help it if they're gifted:D .

I think everyone is in agreement that the blame is firmly on Sven. After all, you'd have to think Lippi/Klinnsman/Hiddink would have got us to the final AT LEAST.

jimbo said:
I think a video review panel should look at games the next day and adjust cards given wrongly and ban players who obviously cheat or hold up imaginary cards. It will stop within a month.

i agree, i think its the only way now, refs just cant be either expected, or in some cases trusted, to see and deal with every single incident by the book or in a way that lets the game flow naturally, although it must be said that some refs have been good, although as with all good refs... i cant remember who. what particularly chokes me is that the ref of the England-Portugal game got the final, when Markus Merk could have done it. It seems to me that FIFA have selected him just to put one over us and say that were right.


Oh, and since Rooney is suspended for Andorra and Macedonia, I've thought about selections for them games as well:

You have to feel that against Andorra, McLaren has some license to take some risks, heres the kind of XI I'd like to see vs Andorra:

----------------Robinson---------------

Hargreaves---Terry------Rio-----A. Cole

----------------Carrick----------------

Lennon--------------------------J. Cole

----------------Gerrard----------------

-----------Crouch------Bent------------

In this formation, Hargreaves would be allowed to push forward, so in attack it would become a 3-1-3-1-2 or something like that.

Against Macedonia away, England need to show the hosts some respect, we must remember they drew in England in a previous campaign, so they are no mugs. We should be slightly more cautious, and based on the performances against Andorra, pick a strong side:

----------------Robinson---------------

Neville-----Terry-------Rio-----A. Cole

---------------Hargreaves--------------

Lennon/Beckham------------------J. Cole

----------------Gerrard----------------

-----------Crouch------Bent/Defoe------

What ya think?
 

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I think everyone is in agreement that the blame is firmly on Sven. After all, you'd have to think Lippi/Klinnsman/Hiddink would have got us to the final AT LEAST.

Are you joking? I think anyone with a little bit of sense would have managed that. All that was needed was a bit of passion. If only that cold fish would have put in a bit of the energy that he spent chasing p**** into the players it would have been enough to get us to the final.
 

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Sorry but don't agree as you need more than passion, you also need skill and I'm afraid we haven't enough.
I was amazed at the number of times we gave the ball away, and that includes both the short and long ball.
It seems a shame to me that our player's don't spend more time learning to do the basic's like controlling a football first time and actually passing to one of there team-mates and not the opposition.

May be there to busy in the bookies or doing stupid "goal celebrations", not that many of them needed them in Germany. :D
 

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everyones been complaining about the lack of goals in this competition... and not just Englands... everyone

could that have something to do with the balloon of a ball they used!!
look at Lampard for instance... he had many shots at goal, and no goals? ballock the same...
I bet when they have that many shots back in the premiership, some of them will fly in!
yet another stupid FIFA idea that doesnt work!!.... and as for sep blatter telling us that when he used to play, he used to dive alot??? whats he trying to say??
 
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