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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Huevos" data-source="post: 892945" data-attributes="member: 301161"><p>The 14 x 70mm are quite a bit dearer, and most places don't stock them or stock them in bags of two with screw for about 3.70€. These are 20 units per box, so 3 boxes means 10 installs. I have 12 x 60mm plugs too but they only go down 2 layers. And these save a lot of time doing up because the screw goes in easier. Also, 12 x 60mm needs a 70mm screw. 60mm is a bit short if you want the full width of the bolt to reach the full depth of the plug.</p></blockquote><p></p>