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Message: <blockquote data-quote="T_G" data-source="post: 207577" data-attributes="member: 175083">Well, where is the vote??I still think you should go by the actual starting grid and not just the times, because a penalty is a penalty, even if it is because of engine changes or cheating. At the end of the day qualifying is there to determine the starting order, and therefore we should use this.In F1 they don't use it, but in other series you might get a point for being on pole. Also, you will find that Schimacher won't get this one credited as a pole on the official statistics (same as his race wins from the 97 season were deleted).</blockquote>