Help Required Lost uk fta channels in belgium—receiver setup?

[kropotkin]

Hello,

I would appreciate some help—I've looked all over the internet and this is driving me mad!

I am in west Belgium and receive satellite TV via a Maxdigital XP1000, running the December 2018 version of OpenPLI. Till last week, I was using this as set up by a previous tenant. All the UK FTA channels were there: all the BBC, ITV etc. But a load of the settings for things like AV were messed up, so I did a factory reset, figuring I could rescan and find those channels again.

I can't find them! The receiver finds and scans Astra2E no problem, but doesn't pick up those channels (French and German ones mostly). I've tried manually scanning the frequencies etc listed here: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/reception/pdfs/satellitefrequencies.pdf but no luck. The receiver doesn't find anything there.

So . . . clearly I can get these channels—I was last week—so the dish is OK. I clearly need to tell the receiver to do/look something/somewhere it isn't. But I can't work out how. Any help, advice, direction to guidance much appreciated. Thanks!

 

[Lazarus]

You say the UK were there, but did you actually view them, as opposed to them merely being listed?

I ask, because the channels you are actually getting come from Astra 1 at 19.2E, suggesting either that that is where the dish is aligned to and the UK Channels were just a legacy listing, or that the dish is a twin or multi LNB set-up but the factory reset has goosed the LNB DiSEqC port settings.

I suspect the latter case applies. When you scan the 28E "satellite" with the dish actually receiving from 19.2E, you'll get results (the wrong ones!) because the respective Satellites will have many Transponders with similar parameters.

 

[kropotkin]

Hello! Thanks for the reply.

Yes, I viewed them. So that makes your suspicion about the second case more likely? And I need to, ahem, de-goose LNB settings? [goes off to google LNB]

 

[Mickha]

Openpli is for an enigma 2 receiver, so you need to set up your tuner settings using Diseqc 1.1, if using multiple LNB's either on 1 . or more, satellite dishes.
Did you set up this dish yourself? Is it a private, or communal dish?
Of course it could also be a motorized dish set up, or you could have been viewing these channels using an IPTV set up.
Please post more details, regarding your set up, and if possible some pictures, of your satellite dish, and LNB's.

 

[kropotkin]

Thanks. In what I hope is a useful order

Did you set up this dish yourself? Is it a private, or communal dish?
. . .
Please post more details, regarding your set up, and if possible some pictures, of your satellite dish, and LNB's.

I didn't set it up. It's communal among several tenants of a block of flats. It's on a roof I can't access (or even see!) so I can't post pictures. What other details would be useful?

Of course it could also be a motorized dish set up, or you could have been viewing these channels using an IPTV set up.

I don't think either is the case. The dish surely can't be motorized if all the tenants of the block are using it at once? And there is no internet cable going in to the tuner, just a coaxial.

Openpli is for an enigma 2 receiver, so you need to set up your tuner settings using Diseqc 1.1, if using multiple LNB's either on 1 . or more, satellite dishes.

This sounds like what I need to do. As I said I have tried tuning the thing, but evidently I am missing some important settings. I will have another look around the internet, but any further advice would be appreciated.

 

[Mickha]

Di you install OpenPLI, after doing a factory reset?
If so you would have gone through the set up guide, including your tuner settings. How did you set this up?
Basic, fixed dish, Astra 1 19.2E, or Astra 2, 28.2E?
If you go into the menu, you should have the options of entering the Setup menu, Tuner Configuration, Tuner Setup, where you can click the OK button and have the option to change the mode to Diseqc A/B, at which point you can try 19.2E on A and 28.2E on B, or vice versa, and then see if you can scan in the channels.

 

[kropotkin]

Di you install OpenPLI, after doing a factory reset?
If so you would have gone through the set up guide, including your tuner settings. How did you set this up?
Basic, fixed dish, Astra 1 19.2E, or Astra 2, 28.2E?
If you go into the menu, you should have the options of entering the Setup menu, Tuner Configuration, Tuner Setup, where you can click the OK button and have the option to change the mode to Diseqc A/B, at which point you can try 19.2E on A and 28.2E on B, or vice versa, and then see if you can scan in the channels.

After the reset I installed the latest OpenPLI, since it previously had an old version.

I set it up (I think) with basic fixed dish Asta 2 28.2E

I've tried setting it up with Diseqc A/B and those two satellites, and I get the results I mentioned . . . 65 channels including (e.g) France 24, Russia Today, Fox News, Gol . . .

I do appreciate the efforts to help! I feel like I'm missing something obvious here. I'm going out for the evening now but I'll come back to this tomorrow.

 

[Channel Hopper]

Try swopping over the two settings, or extend the DiSEqC switching to four positions rather than just A and B.

 

[a33]

A four satellite system would not be unusual in Belgium/Flanders: 13E, 19E, 23E and 28E; even 5W could be there.

So I would indeed (as @CH proposes) check what programs you get when you scan with diseqc 1.0 (or diseqc 2.0) setting A, B, C and D.
You'd have to try each setting, and do a blind scan each time.

That way you can define 4 satellites, and have a program list for each of them. BTW the name of the satellite in your receiver is not important at all, when you receive 28E programs from a satellite called "Astra1/19E" or "Theresa May" or "Phil Collins", it will still be 28E.
Scanning the four diseqc settings will enlighten, if you in fact have 4 satellites at your disposal (under diseqc 1.0 protokol).

BTW2 Diseqc 1.1 (or 2.1) would, though possible, be unusual for a 4 satellite setup.

Greetz,
A33

 

[Mickha]

It might be easier to ask one of your neighbours, or the building manager, what satellites are available, and the required settings.

 

[kropotkin]

Thanks all!

"It might be easier to ask one of your neighbours, or the building manager, what satellites are available, and the required settings."
The landlord is pretty unresponsive, and the neighbours are . . . let's not talk about the neighbours. I'd prefer to fix it myself if possible, and it seems like a puzzle that has a solution.

" So I would indeed (as @CH proposes) check what programs you get when you scan with diseqc 1.0 (or diseqc 2.0) setting A, B, C and D.
You'd have to try each setting, and do a blind scan each time."

OK, so . . . I think I have done this, but I have a couple of questions.

Scanning the following positions set as A, B, C, D, I get:

13.0E 11 channels (subset of those on 19.2)
16.0E 0 channels
19.2E 317 channels (none of the ones I want!)
21.5E 0
23.5E 0
25.5E 0
26.0E 0
28.2E 65 channels (subset of those on 19.2)
30.5E 0
31.5E 0
33.0E 0

This seems to confirm the idea that the dish is primarily picking up 19.2E.

Questions:

1. When you say "try each setting", what exactly should I vary? Should I try each position as A, then B, etc? (so far I have just tried each in one slot).

2. "blind scan". Not explicitly an option in the menus I get. Could it be called something else? "Network scan"?

The message I'm getting is that I need to do something funky with LNB settings relative to some satellite position, but I've not yet managed to find out from google what that funky thing is . . .

Again, I really appreciate the collective effort here. Thanks!

 

[Lazarus]

Blind Scan = Auto Scan, probably.

All that'll do, right now, is get you several hundred Channels from 19.2E, though!

What I suggest you do is select the 19.2E stored "Satellite" itself and post a screen-shot of the associated LNB and DiSEqC settings, then do the same for the 28.2E stored "Satellite".

Sadly, this appears to one of those snags that could be sorted out in two minutes were we in front of the box, but is mighty difficult to resolve with mere words!

 

[kropotkin]

Blind Scan = Auto Scan, probably.

All that'll do, right now, is get you several hundred Channels from 19.2E, though!

What I suggest you do is select the 19.2E stored "Satellite" itself and post a screen-shot of the associated LNB and DiSEqC settings, then do the same for the 28.2E stored "Satellite".

Sadly, this appears to one of those snags that could be sorted out in two minutes were we in front of the box, but is mighty difficult to resolve with mere words!

It really does seem that way! I will post those screen shots this evening—I'm not at home right now. More later! Thanks!

 

[kropotkin]

OK. I hope these are the right things. Here first is the simple set up I've been using to scan:



When I move to advanced and select LNB1 for 19.2E I get this:



Seems the same for 28.2E:



Nothing seems configured for LNB 2, but there is only one coaxial cable going into the tuner . . . does that mean just one LNB?

Incidentally, when I go into the satfinder and scroll through the predefined transponders, these are the ones I get SNR responses for:

19.2E: 12032 H 27500 9/10 (48%)
12344 H 30000 2/3 (48%)
28.2E: 10758 V 22000 auto (73%)
10788 V 22000 auto (79%)
11038 V 22000 auto (78%)
11538 V 22000 auto (78%)
11597 V 22000 auto (65%)


Don't know if that helps!

 

[Stevenvc19]

Try changing the Disecq settings 1.0 settings
For Astra 1 try input A
For Astra 2 try input B

Volgens mij zijn de Disecq poorten niet goed ingesteld.
Probeer voor Astra 1 poort A
Astra 2 Poort B

Indien dit geen oplossing geeft, probeer voor Astra 2 poort C of D

 

[Mickha]

Have you tried doing a manual scan, for 10788 V 22000 DVB-S?
Please do so, if you haven't already, and post the results.

 

[Lazarus]

Re. Only one cable: That's what you'd expect - there should be an external switch DiSEqC somewhere (or a Multiswitch, given others use the system, I believe).

Looking at the 28E screenshot, try altering the LNB setting from LNB1 to LNB2.

 

[a33]

Every satellite should have it's own LNB number, in this multisatellite setup.
(The number is not really important, as long as it is different from others.)


So try setting 28E as LNB2, in the advanced settings.
Set diseqc mode to 1.0
diseqc 1.0 command to A (or 1/4, or something like that. Indications can vary.)
and sequence repeat to YES.
(We'll try first without any diseqc 1.1 command.)
Leave all other settings as they are.

Then try doing a manual scan, as suggested above, for 10788 V 22000 DVB-S. Receiving BBC1? (See Astra 2E / Astra 2F / Astra 2G (28.2°E) - Alle uitzendingen - Frequenties - KingOfSat )

If not, set diseqc 1.0 command to B (or 2/4). Try again the manual scan. Receiving BBC1?

If not, set diseqc 1.0 command to C (or 3/4). Try again the manual scan. Receiving BBC1?

If not, set diseqc 1.0 command to D (or 4/4). Try again the manual scan. Receiving BBC1?


(After this, we'll have to look into the scanning possibilities/options that you have; to get ALL the channels.)

Greetz,
A33

 

[kropotkin]

Thanks, all. I'm at work during the day today, but I'll cycle through all these suggestions this evening and report back. Much appreciated.

 

[kropotkin]

OK, let's see. I'll go through the suggestions in the order given, so it's clear what I've done:

Try changing the Disecq settings 1.0 settings
For Astra 1 try input A
For Astra 2 try input B
[etc]

Swapping the two satellites between A, B, C, D didn't make any positive difference. But scanning 28.2 before 19.2 seems to result in fewer channels.

Have you tried doing a manual scan, for 10788 V 22000 DVB-S?
Please do so, if you haven't already, and post the results.

If I define this as the transponder for 19.2, I get 0 channels. For 28.2, I get 23, mostly Spanish.

Looking at the 28E screenshot, try altering the LNB setting from LNB1 to LNB2

If I do this on the reception settings, the default is DiSEqC set to none. Fewer options appear. No difference on scan.

So try setting 28E as LNB2, in the advanced settings.
Set diseqc mode to 1.0
diseqc 1.0 command to A (or 1/4, or something like that. Indications can vary.)
and sequence repeat to YES.
(We'll try first without any diseqc 1.1 command.)
Leave all other settings as they are.

OK. Done this . . .

Then try doing a manual scan, as suggested above, for 10788 V 22000 DVB-S. Receiving BBC1?

No. Same 23 channels.

If not, set diseqc 1.0 command to B (or 2/4). Try again the manual scan. Receiving BBC1?

No. 0 channels.

If not, set diseqc 1.0 command to C (or 3/4). Try again the manual scan. Receiving BBC1?

No. Same 23 channels.

If not, set diseqc 1.0 command to D (or 4/4). Try again the manual scan. Receiving BBC1?

No. 0 channels.

See Astra 2E / Astra 2F / Astra 2G (28.2°E) - Alle uitzendingen - Frequenties - KingOfSat )

I tried a few other frequencies from here and didn't get any good results—either 0 channels or the same 23.

Dunno about you folk, but I'm definitely puzzled.