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UK police raid Blackburn pubs and seize satellite equipment
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<blockquote data-quote="rolfw" data-source="post: 397068" data-attributes="member: 175057"><p>We have argued this over and over, in previous threads. which was why I didn't comment on the post above initially, I would rather wait for the court decision. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Define valid</strong>, does valid mean that they have a subscription from somebody who has the right to sell subscriptions/have broadcast rights in the UK? </p><p></p><p>Could you buy a residential subscription from Sky (probably not much more expensive than a Nova subscription) and show it to a pub full of people without problems? No you couldn't and even on the Nova website, they say that if you want to use the card in a bar, you require a commercial subscription.</p><p></p><p>Sky and the Premiership don't seem to have a major problem with domestic satellite viewers, it is only the people who are showing the football to an audience for profit, without paying for the privilege.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>agreed, it isn't a law, I've stated this on many occasions, but it actually means that nobody has purchased the right to sell subscriptions for those matches in the UK, so anyone using a card from outside the UK can not have paid for the right to view them.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>You could be proved very wong, but only time will tell.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Does this override International copyright law? The Jury is still out.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>And your point is?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>These have mostly been supplied and very actively marketed (supposedly with legal insurance/guarantee) by a small number of companies who style themselves as crusaders for no TV frontiers (yeah right;)), in real terms they have in many cases charged ridiculously over the odds for pretty basic installations.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There were several thousand football supporters who were able to get into the Stadium at Athens for the Champions League final without tickets, as there weren't sufficient checks and security, does this make it legal or right, do you congratulate them? </p><p></p><p>I don't.</p><p></p><p>What I will say though, is that if long term there is no control over the abuse of residential overseas subscriptions by commercial entities, then either the amounts bid for the rights by the UK companies will quickly diminish (affecting the Premiership income), or there will be only secondary timeshifted rights sold to the overseas companies <strong>and this will affect us hobbyists.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rolfw, post: 397068, member: 175057"] We have argued this over and over, in previous threads. which was why I didn't comment on the post above initially, I would rather wait for the court decision. [B]Define valid[/B], does valid mean that they have a subscription from somebody who has the right to sell subscriptions/have broadcast rights in the UK? Could you buy a residential subscription from Sky (probably not much more expensive than a Nova subscription) and show it to a pub full of people without problems? No you couldn't and even on the Nova website, they say that if you want to use the card in a bar, you require a commercial subscription. Sky and the Premiership don't seem to have a major problem with domestic satellite viewers, it is only the people who are showing the football to an audience for profit, without paying for the privilege. agreed, it isn't a law, I've stated this on many occasions, but it actually means that nobody has purchased the right to sell subscriptions for those matches in the UK, so anyone using a card from outside the UK can not have paid for the right to view them. You could be proved very wong, but only time will tell. Does this override International copyright law? The Jury is still out. And your point is? These have mostly been supplied and very actively marketed (supposedly with legal insurance/guarantee) by a small number of companies who style themselves as crusaders for no TV frontiers (yeah right;)), in real terms they have in many cases charged ridiculously over the odds for pretty basic installations. There were several thousand football supporters who were able to get into the Stadium at Athens for the Champions League final without tickets, as there weren't sufficient checks and security, does this make it legal or right, do you congratulate them? I don't. What I will say though, is that if long term there is no control over the abuse of residential overseas subscriptions by commercial entities, then either the amounts bid for the rights by the UK companies will quickly diminish (affecting the Premiership income), or there will be only secondary timeshifted rights sold to the overseas companies [B]and this will affect us hobbyists.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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