Vivacom 13e

[Analoguesat]

Went outside with the tiny caravan dish yesterday to see what the signal was like from 13e in Burgas, Bulgaria.

As you can see, the Bulgarian TPs are very strong vs the regular 13e which barely locks on a dish this size in this area. It's obvious the beam is designed for smaller dish DTH reception

Whats that 30cm? 50cm? Its tiny

 

[Analoguesat]

But why would a Bulgarian consumer not go, what, 20cm bigger with their dish(?) and get all the FTA channels at 13 EAST

None hobbyists dont care about all the channels - all they want is their programming in their native language

 

[iandoh]

Whats that 30cm? 50cm? Its tiny

Just measured it, 31cm

 

[LeBelge]

None hobbyists dont care about all the channels - all they want is their programming in their native language

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Are you sure ?
Bulgarian is my native language, but I watch TV channels in English, French, Russian and even Italian and Serbian.

 

[Analoguesat]

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Are you sure ?
Bulgarian is my native language, but I watch TV channels in English, French, Russian and even Italian and Serbian.

Ah but you are a hobbyist, so is interested in such things

 

[rodscha]

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Are you sure ?
Bulgarian is my native language, but I watch TV channels in English, French, Russian and even Italian and Serbian.

and I enjoy Greek,Kurdish(MEd MUZIK is excellent) ,Chinese & Urdu...

 

[Pride Of Cucamonga]

None hobbyists dont care about all the channels - all they want is their programming in their native language

What size dishes are needed in Bulgaria for spot and widebeam?

 

[max11]

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Are you sure ?
Bulgarian is my native language, but I watch TV channels in English, French, Russian and even Italian and Serbian.

So why did you put your channels on super beam??
You don't want your channels to be watched?

 

[LeBelge]

I live in Belgium since 1991.
Vivacom is a private company, they do what they want to.

Free TV from Bulgaria - LyngSat

 

[Analoguesat]

What size dishes are needed in Bulgaria for spot and widebeam?

A 30cm "camping dish" is big enough for the spotbeam which is reported to be a fair bit stronger than the widebeam in Bulgaria.

 

[Analoguesat]

So why did you put your channels on super beam??
You don't want your channels to be watched?

They dont want them watched outside the Balkan area - same reason for the UK channels using the 28E spotbeams to limit reception outside the UK, or RTE using the Ka beam spotbeam on 9E to stop reception outside of Ireland.....

 

[Pride Of Cucamonga]

They dont want them watched outside the Balkan area - same reason for the UK channels using the 28E spotbeams to limit reception outside the UK, or RTE using the Ka beam spotbeam on 9E to stop reception outside of Ireland.....

the three reasons for spot beams are

1) smaller dishes needed, less prone to heavy rain dropouts
2) frequency reuse
3) rights

as it's quite a wide beam (more so than the 28.2 UK beams), rights would still have to be cleared for a lot of countries. i would lean mean more towards 1 and 2

 

[LeBelge]

They dont want them watched outside the Balkan area

But they will be watched, here is how to:

For subscribers with 60 cm dish

https://vivacom.bg/web/files/Self_Install_Third_Video_GSH6960_V2.mp4

from here

Ново в сателитната телевизия

За да Ви предоставим още по-разнообразно и подобрено ТВ изживяване, сателитните услуги на Vivacom преминават към нов сателит Hot Bird 13Е.

www.vivacom.bg

 

[iandoh]

What size dishes are needed in Bulgaria for spot and widebeam?

Hotbird is surprisingly weak and I imagine the 60cm dish installed by Vivacom will not pick up all the transponders in bad weather. Even on a 1.2m in heavy rain I can lose a fair few transponders.

 

[Pride Of Cucamonga]

Hotbird is surprisingly weak and I imagine the 60cm dish installed by Vivacom will not pick up all the transponders in bad weather. Even on a 1.2m in heavy rain I can lose a fair few transponders.

yeah, the main beam is focused on the french and Italian markets so separate beam is starting to make sense

 

[Analoguesat]

yeah, the main beam is focused on the french and Italian markets so separate beam is starting to make sense

Its isnt you know.... The main beam might be CENTRED over France & Italy - but why do you think there are MILLIONS of consumers in the rest of continental Europe, North Africa & the Middle East who have their dishes pointing at 13E??

 

[Pride Of Cucamonga]

Its isnt you know.... The main beam might be CENTRED over France & Italy - but why do you think there are MILLIONS of consumers in the rest of continental Europe, North Africa & the Middle East who have their dishes pointing at 13E??

we're talking about with small dishes

 

[Analoguesat]

So am I.....

Most of Europe, parts of North Africa & western Turkey are in the 48dB power line which is 75-95cm dish indicated. Thats not big.

Look at this map & the associated power lines - the majority of Europe is under the 50dB line which is 60 cm

 

[Pride Of Cucamonga]

so eastern Bulgaria theoretically only requires 60-75cm; yeah pretty small really

 

[italy2006]

So am I.....

Most of Europe, parts of North Africa & western Turkey are in the 48dB power line which is 75-95cm dish indicated. Thats not big.

Look at this map & the associated power lines - the majority of Europe is under the 50dB line which is 60 cm

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here in iran after arrival of nes sats, 110 cm dish is needed for full reception. 11488 is too weak and some of polish channels TPs.