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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keefie" data-source="post: 12931" data-attributes="member: 175386"><p>thanks for that, just to clarify then , my cam as I quoted is one of these euro ones then ? you say it needs to be 'patched'I  am sure I read that you can only patch the old ones? am I getting confused with the patch on the samsung?or do I just program a card as say '5 in ' then put it in my irdeto then recieve?have tried this with very little success<img src="https://www.satellites.co.uk/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sad.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":(" title="Sad    :(" data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>