14w new Russian transponder

[Satfaca]

NTV Mir on 10.978 H, SR 1550

 

[alexza]

Hy,11564 v PLP0 work now?

 

[ozumo]

Scan of 14°W today 1.2m dish north east England, checked against Flysat

10955 H 1555 OK
10974 H 2963 OK
10977 H 1550 transponder parameters found but no lock
11023 H 4856 locks and scans in but very broken picture at best
11108 H 4391 ditto
11120 H 3590 OK
11456 H 3000 no signal
11541 H 8264 no signal
11544 V 14182 OK
11564 V 14585 OK
11627 V 2985 OK
11634 V 7347 OK
11647 V 14184 OK

 

[stephan94]

the reception of my position in Bavaria
with 1.80m

 

[ozumo]

11023 H 4856 locks and scans in but very broken picture at best
11108 H 4391 ditto

Switching from the Primo to the old Openbox V8S shows decent improvement

11023 H - Audio only (nothing on Primo ATM)
11108 H - Solid video with occasional breakup.

 

[alexza]

the reception of my position in Bavaria
with 1.80m

Hy,reciver type?

 

[cybertomanek]

11108 Н 4391 2/3 Rossiya 24, RTR Planeta

 

[Adam792]

The replaced DTT in action, as received in Romania from Kherson...

One thing I'd missed is that the Russian channels on the 14°W T2-MI feeds have the same service IDs as the channels on the Ukrainian DVB-T2 multiplexes, which isn't the case for other Russian T2-MI that service regions within Russia.

How that works in practice is shown in that YouTube video - when fed through the transmitters in place of Ukrainian DTT, the Russian channels magically appear under the old Ukrainian channel labels without the receiver needing to be retuned...

 

[astra19]

A pretty disgusting thing to do, but was expected by this forum sadly.

 

[Stevenvc19]

One thing I'd missed is that the Russian channels on the 14°W T2-MI feeds have the same service IDs as the channels on the Ukrainian DVB-T2 multiplexes

That's probably why my enigma2 receiver could find those channels without editing the astra-sm file?

I can scan and watch the channels on 11646V on my Edision mio+ with openatv without adding the code to Astra-sm. how is this possible? I can’t scan the other two transponder though. Maybe this weekend I try editing Astra-sm.

 

[SimonE]

The replaced DTT in action, as received in Romania from Kherson...

One thing I'd missed is that the Russian channels on the 14°W T2-MI feeds have the same service IDs as the channels on the Ukrainian DVB-T2 multiplexes, which isn't the case for other Russian T2-MI that service regions within Russia.

How that works in practice is shown in that YouTube video - when fed through the transmitters in place of Ukrainian DTT, the Russian channels magically appear under the old Ukrainian channel labels without the receiver needing to be retuned...

Well done Adam792 for spotting this. The path from Kherson to the nearest parts of Romania must be around 200miles. Good terrestrial dx.

 

[Adam792]

That's probably why my enigma2 receiver could find those channels without editing the astra-sm file?

Yes, I think because they’re also using Zeonbud Ukraine’s network and transport stream IDs (NID and TSID - 8996-100 etc) rather than ones related to Russian DTT. Again to make it so that Ukrainian receivers don’t need retuning for Russian TV to appear…

In Enigma2, the ID for a service in the lamedb is worked out by these IDs, so the stream ID for the same service on a transponder with duplicate IDs will most likely match the old details you had for Zeonbud in the astra-sm config.

This same thing used to cause problems receiving certain transponders on 5°W that had duplicate NID/TSID values (but that time it wasn’t for deliberate sinister reasons). I think there’s an extra parameter in Enigma2 now that stops it from happening usually, but maybe it doesn’t always have an effect.

 

[satesco]

I can scan and watch the channels on 11646V on my Edision mio+ with openatv without adding the code to Astra-sm. how is this possible? I can’t scan the other two transponder though. Maybe this weekend I try editing Astra-sm.

Sorry for the late reply, but only now I saw your post. I use dvb card and Crazyscan, TSReader applications or AltDVB player to receive these T2-Mi streams. No need for Astra-sm.
Here are the transponders I have now found at 14.0W.

 

[stephan94]

I can scan and watch the channels on 11646V on my Edision mio+ with openatv without adding the code to Astra-sm. how is this possible? I can’t scan the other two transponder though. Maybe this weekend I try editing Astra-sm.

Hello ,
My Edision MIO4K finds all these transponders with the blindscan without any problem.
The mio4K absolutely does not need the addition of an exterior Astra-sm.
The difficulties must lie elsewhere.

 

[Stevenvc19]

Hello ,
My Edision MIO4K finds all these transponders with the blindscan without any problem.
The mio4K absolutely does not need the addition of an exterior Astra-sm.
The difficulties must lie elsewhere.

Maybe I don't have sufficiant signal on the other two transponders... i couldn't get those channels working with astra-sm neither.
I use a 80cm dish in the region of Antwerp (Belgium)

 

[stephan94]

Maybe I don't have sufficiant signal on the other two transponders... i couldn't get those channels working with astra-sm neither.
I use a 80cm dish in the region of Antwerp (Belgium)

It's possible, my result is with a 1.80m from northern bavaria in the Bayreuth region.

 

[stephan94]

I just tried with a 1.20m antenna.
It is still possible, but almost without reservation + 0.4 dB
so with a 0.80 m I think it's too small

 

[Stevenvc19]

I just tried with a 1.20m antenna.
It is still possible, but almost without reservation + 0.4 dB
so with a 0.80 m I think it's too small

Thank you!

Didn't think there would be so much difference between these transponders, because all transponders use the same beam and have the same C/N ratio... 11647V comes in fine at 9db.

 

[ozumo]

Thank you!

Didn't think there would be so much difference between these transponders, because all transponders use the same beam and have the same C/N ratio... 11647V comes in fine at 9db.

Try nudging the dish a click or two east - there may be interference from 15°W.

 

[Stevenvc19]

Try nudging the dish a click or two east - there may be interference from 15°W.

Thanks! I'll try it!