19.2e Analogue Shutdown schedule

[David Fagan]

Hi All,

Hope all's well,
I haven't seen it myself yet but I've read 5W is still broadcasting after it's shutdown date.
Do anyone know what the story will be with 19.2e

Will some channels broadcast right up to the last minute at 2am April 30th 2012?
Will some channels broadcast after that date?

Best,

David

 

[Pietclock]

This will get quite interesting come April. There are still over a million people using the analogue signals and hunderds (if not more) cable heads of hotels, hospitals etc. which use the analogue signals. Analogue satellite was very popular here, it practically replaced the terrestrial system (almost noone uses terrestrial TV today).
End of this month (31 Dec 2011) the Viacom channels will stop analogue, also DMAX goes digital only.
Some more channels are expected to leave during the following months.
The main channels' ( ie ARD, ZDF, RTL, Sat1 etc) official switch off date is 30th of April, 3 o'clock in the morning. A few hours later, the new HD services will launch:

Ex-ARD analogue TP will become digital DVB-S2 : ARD HD, arte HD, SWR HD.
Ex-3sat analogue TP will carry DVB-S2: zdf.kultur HD, zdf.info HD, zdf.neo HD.
Ex-NDR analogue TP will carry DVB-S2: NDR HD, BR HD, Phoenix HD.

There will be more HD stuff on existing digital TPs, the other analogue TPs will go back to SES. They have a lot to lease then.

It'll be interesting if that plan can survive when thousands will get static on their screens
However they plan to "up the pressure" on people come January with permanent info crawlers etc. to disturb viewing on some channels.

 

[Analoguesat]

Hi All,

Hope all's well,
I haven't seen it myself yet but I've read 5W is still broadcasting after it's shutdown date.
Do anyone know what the story will be with 19.2e

Will some channels broadcast right up to the last minute at 2am April 30th 2012?
Will some channels broadcast after that date?

Best,

David

Cant see SES letting the channels carry on - several of them are earmarked for additional HD services which are due to start the following day

 

[David Fagan]

Thanks a million Pietclock,

So it sounds like it could all go to plan, especially if that bandwidth is already earmarked for HD services.
I'm planning to invite people to an event to watch the last few minutes of analogue satellite in Europe, it's a part of an artwork,
It'll be quite embarrassing if it turned out that they didn't in fact switch off :-comp

 

[David Fagan]

Cheers Analoguesat

 

[David Fagan]

Cheers Analoguesat

Hey that satellite launch was great the other week BTW.

 

[Analoguesat]

All sat launches are fab. Ive been watching them for over 10 years and never get bored of them.

Trying to watch them in dialup days was hopeless - I remember one launch where the booster went from 0 feet to about 500 feet in the air in 2 frames

 

[Pietclock]

If it turned out they need more time, they would announce it well ahead. Until now, the timeline stands. However there are lots of installers complaining about many people waiting too long to convert to digital (changing the LNBs/Receivers). They fear there will be a big run in April so they cant deliver parts in time etc.
Especially older people are still ignoring all the info, because they dont want to pay for the digital upgrade.
I think this will change when they put on the info banners all day ;)

 

[David Fagan]

If it turned out they need more time, they would announce it well ahead. Until now, the timeline stands. However there are lots of installers complaining about many people waiting too long to convert to digital (changing the LNBs/Receivers). They fear there will be a big run in April so they cant deliver parts in time etc.
Especially older people are still ignoring all the info, because they dont want to pay for the digital upgrade.
I think this will change when they put on the info banners all day ;)

The elderly, whatever will we do with them...

 

[David Fagan]

All sat launches are fab. Ive been watching them for over 10 years and never get bored of them.

Trying to watch them in dialup days was hopeless - I remember one launch where the booster went from 0 feet to about 500 feet in the air in 2 frames

Dialup? What self respecting satellite enthusiast would be seen without a Tooway connection... Me apparently.

 

[Analoguesat]

I'm watling for the new fttc fast connections - our exchange is supposed to be done next year

 

[David Fagan]

I'm watling for the new fttc fast connections - our exchange is supposed to be done next year

Tooway can be one expensive motherhubbard too!

:-topic I'm gone completely off topic now :-topic but I think the question is answered

 

[Pietclock]

Here is the detailed plan of the public channels' switch off and HD switch on:

Detaillierter Zeitplan für die Beendigung der analogen Satellitenausstrahlung
und Aufschaltung der HD-Programme von ARD und ZDF
Stand: 5. Dezember 2011, Änderungen vorbehalten
29.04.2012 - 30.04.2012
21:00 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.49 (KI.KA) zum Sendeschluss
03:00 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.30 (rbb Fernsehen)
03:01 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.35 (arte)
03:02 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.36 (Phoenix)
03:03 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.39 (WDR Fernsehen)
03:04 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.40 (hr-fernsehen)
03:05 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.41 (BR-alpha)
03:06 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.45 (Bayerisches Fernsehen)
03:07 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.43 (MDR FERNSEHEN)
03:08 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.48 (SWR Fernsehen BW)
03:09 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.61 (SWR Fernsehen RP) durch SES ASTRA
03:10 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.10 (3sat) durch SES ASTRA
03:11 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.33 (ZDF) durch SES ASTRA
03:12 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.25 (NDR Fernsehen)
03:13 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.19 (Das Erste)
Die Aufschaltung des ARD-HD1 und ARD-HD2 in Frankfurt startet am 30. April 2012 um
03:15 Uhr bzw. um 03:30 Uhr. Die HD-Programme selbst werden erst einige Minuten nach
der Aufschaltung des jeweiligen Trägers für den Zuschauer verfügbar sein.
03:15 Uhr
Aufschaltung des Trägers für ARD-HD1 Transponder 19 in Frankfurt (Das Erste HD, arte
HD, SWR BW HD, SWR RP HD)
03:30 Uhr
Aufschaltung des Trägers für ARD-HD2 Transponder 25 in Frankfurt (PHOENIX HD, NDR
FS NDS HD, NDR FS MV HD, NDR FS HH HD, NDR FS SH HD, BR Süd HD, BR Nord HD )
03:58 Uhr
Abschaltung des Trägers für ZDF-HD1 Transponder11 in Frankfurt (Das Erste HD, ZDF HD
und arte HD)
Anschließend erfolgen die Aufschaltungen auf den ZDF-HD1 Transponder 11 und ZDF-HD2
Transponder 10 in Mainz.
04:00 Uhr
Aufschaltung des Trägers für ZDF-HD1 Transponder 11 in Mainz (ZDF HD, zdf_neo HD,
zdf.kultur HD)
04:15 Uhr
Aufschaltung des Trägers für Transponder 10 in Mainz (ZDFinfo HD, 3sat HD, KI.KA HD)
03:00 Uhr bis 05:00 Uhr
Die Aufschaltung des Programms WDR HD mit regionaler Auseinanderschaltung auf den
SES-ASTRA Tran

Source: __http://www.ndr.de/unternehmen/technik/fernsehempfang_digital/infomappe103.pdf

Abschaltung = switch off.
Aufschaltung = switch on.
Träger = carrier.

 

[Analoguesat]

Google translated for those of us whose German doesn't go much past "2 beers please"

Detailed timetable for the closure of analogue satellite broadcasting
and activation of the HD programming from ARD and ZDF
As at 5 December 2011, subject to change
29.04.2012 - 30.04.2012
21:00 clock off Tp.49 (KI.KA) to closedown
03:00 clock off Tp.30 (rbb)
03:01 clock off Tp.35 (arte)
03:02 clock off Tp.36 (Phoenix)
03:03 clock off Tp.39 (WDR television)
03:04 clock off Tp.40 (TV-hr)
03:05 clock off Tp.41 (BR-alpha)
03:06 clock off Tp.45 (Bavarian Television)
03:07 clock off Tp.43 (MDR network)
03:08 clock off Tp.48 (SWR BW TV)
03:09 clock off Tp.61 (SWR television RP) by SES ASTRA
03:10 clock off Tp.10 (3sat) by SES ASTRA
03:11 clock off Tp.33 (ZDF) by SES ASTRA
03:12 clock off Tp.25 (NDR TV)
03:13 clock off Tp.19 (The First)
The launching of the ARD and ARD-HD1-HD2 at Frankfurt starts on 30 April 2012
03:15 clock or clock at 03:30. The HD programs themselves are only a few minutes after
the activation of the respective carrier for the audience to be available.
03:15 clock
Injection of the beam transponder for ARD-HD1 19 in Frankfurt (The first HD, arte
HD, HD BW SWR, SWR RP HD)
03:30 clock
Injection of the beam transponder for ARD-HD2 25 in Frankfurt (HD PHOENIX, NDR
FS NDS HD, HD NDR FS MV, NDR FS HH HD, NDR FS SH HD, HD BR South, North BR HD)
03:58 clock
Shutdown of the carrier for ZDF-HD1 Transponder11 in Frankfurt (The first HD, ZDF HD
and Arte HD)
Then place the intrusion on the ZDF and ZDF Transponder 11 HD1 HD2
Transponder 10 in Mainz.
04:00 clock
Injection of the carrier for ZDF in Mainz-HD1 transponder 11 (ZDF HD, HD zdf_neo,
zdf.kultur HD)
04:15 clock
Injection of the carrier for the transponder 10 in Mainz (ZDFinfo HD, HD 3sat, KI.KA HD)
03:00 bis 05:00 clock clock
The launching of the program with regional WDR HD apart on the circuit
SES ASTRA Tran


Its a bit rough but its understandable

 

[Pietclock]

I wonder what dictionary they used to programme that software .. clock off ?!?

 

[Analoguesat]

Hmm there are 29 analogue tp's left on air. We have now accounted for 15 of them. Presumably the rest will be pulled off air when things are quiet overnight.

 

[Pietclock]

These are only the public TV channels. There is no info about the commercial channels yet ( RTL etc). The problem is the coordination, because there are a few different uplink stations involved. That's why they wrote "by SES Astra". Because some TPs are uplinked by SES, (SW RP, ZDF, 3sat) and the others are managed by the stations themselves.
RTL for example is uplinked by Media Broadcast in Usingen, while RTL2 is uplinked by APS in Munich... It's entirely possible that some of the commercial stations will go off air before or after the public ones.

 

[David Fagan]

Cheers for posting the schedule!!! Excellent info!

 

[T.Tanilsoo]

I speak a bit German and regarding "clocks" .. A la "15:00 Uhr" - that's how time is expressed in German. Pretty much like "Kell 15:00" in Estonian.

 

[Pietclock]

yeah you are right I didnt see that. Uhr = clock but in this case it must be translated "o'clock".
and "Abschaltung" it simplified to "off". However that would be "aus" in German.

'21:00 Uhr Abschaltung Tp.49 (KI.KA) zum Sendeschluss'

'21:00 o'clock switch-off Tp.49 (KI.KA) at closedown' is how I would translate it. But im not google