Astra 2F at 28E (at last!)

[dvdfilm]

These are the test carriers that I observed & there was nothing below 10950 ?


10964H
11523H
11627V
11671H
11720H
11778V
11785H
11876H
11895V
12304V
12480H
12110H
12148H
12188H
12222H
12246V
12246H
12304H
12324H
12324V
12402H
12402V
12460H
12460V
12516H
12551H
12580H
12725H

this is the range written on that website.can solly or anyone confirm?

 

[C0re]

Not sure what your point is:

a. I can't imagine they would announce a Test frequency per se

and

b. There is widespread consensus from the well-informed that 11023 can be nothing else.

Moreover, SES (or just any satellite operator) seldom publish single transponder swaps.

 

[davidcmadrid]

Is there any evidence to suggest the signal is weak in the far north of Scotland , i dont recall seeing anything to suggest it was anything but off the scale. Looking at Analoguesats reception report map , it seems more logical to say the beam isnt as tight as they might like it to be. Not vastly experienced in sat chasing but if anything the curious item to me seems to be the high power on the test broadcast , UK Spot from 2F

 

[dvdfilm]

Analoguesat does not live in the north of scotland

 

[davidcmadrid]

I know

Analoguesat does not live in the north of scotland

Yes i understand however in the coverage map he has made , along with others online there is no suggestion that the North of Scotland is troublesome on 11023H.

 

[davidcmadrid]

You think disgruntled customers are going to be reasonable about the installer's inability to see into the future?

No but they should be disgruntled if they bought a small dish setup in the last few months without being informed of the risk as a few honest Satelite installers have been doing , in fact here in Madrid 4 people told me 1m dish and the 5th guy i spoke to said he would not accept any install jobs because of the impending sat change. When i questioned the first four guys to quote in detail turns out they knew full well of impending changes.

 

[William Kay]

I know

Yes i understand however in the coverage map he has made , along with others online there is no suggestion that the North of Scotland is troublesome on 11023H.

Don't recall seeing anything from north of Edinburgh. It's speculation on our part, which is why a report from Orkney or Shetland would be interesting. Shetland has always "saved" us in Bergen and Stavanger, for example. It's "only" 300km from Lerwick to Bergen. If Shetland is now getting a reliable, weatherproof 60cm signal, it's amazing that the fall-off is so sharp that we can't get it even vaguely reliably on 80cm here.

 

[dxn]

There is a report on a portuguese forum, one user claims that can pick 2F, with 1,30mtrs prime focus dish, located on Guarda (Northeast of Portugal).

This is the first catch around here, but have to confirm this yet.

 

[timo_w2s]

These are the test carriers that I observed & there was nothing below 10950 ?


10964H
11523H
11627V
11671H
11720H
11778V
11785H
11876H
11895V
12304V
12480H
12110H
12148H
12188H
12222H
12246V
12246H
12304H
12324H
12324V
12402H
12402V
12460H
12460V
12516H
12551H
12580H
12725H

Interesting... then perhaps 2F is only going to take over 2B and some of the C band for now? Maybe 1N will stay until 2E is launched next year as was speculated on here some time ago.

Or there's going to be some radical transponder moves! (causing "DTH issues" for Sky/Freesat?!)

 

[BLUEPLATINUM]

Shetland is part of the UK, and is defined as being in Zone 2 by Sky - i.e. bigger dish, just like northern Scotland. Reception on 60cm has been troublesome there, and 60cm is considered a minimum. I didn't notice the majority of dishes being in the 70-80cm range, though, last time I was there. If Sky have you in zone 2, that's what they'll install.

I believe one aim of 2F was to improve reception in northern Scotland and the Northern Isles. If this hasn't happened, then something is awry.

I suspect it will be a lot cheaper for SES to pay to upgrade every satellite dish in the Shetlands (only around 23,000 people live there) than pay penalty clauses to their 19.2E customers when they fail to meet their contractual obligations for 2013 at that orbital position due to non-delivery of Astra 1N.

 

[dvdfilm]

if it's true that 2F has a range of 10.95-12.75 then a switchover would involve mainly C5 and Itv regions

 

[joddle]

I know you are probably joking but what do you do when you don't know what future requirement will be. 1) Sell something very expensive that might not work in the future, 2) sell something very cheap that might not work in the future, but that does the job for the time being, 3) sell nothing and go bankrupt. And anyway from what we've seen so far (on 11023h) a 1m does work as far south as Alicante for sure and a 1.1m dish is working fine further south in Ciudad Quesada.

Yes of course I was joking but there were a few - and I stress a few - sellers who really took advantage of the situation and postively avoided advising and even denied there may be issues later Of this I am certain as I trawlled several suppliers myself to get a quote for an installation in Javea and from a few was told an utter load of rubbish. The majority however were completely up-front and OK..

If there is doubt about if a system will work in the future I would expect a dealer to confirm that if asked.

 

[tothbros]

i thought this whole rush was all because 1N had to be moved to 19.2 east ASAP...?!
surely, if the above was true, anything below 10.95 would have to stay on 1N.
it would, however make sense why last night 10965H and 10994H suffered signal drop in certain fringe areas, like where i am...

 

[Gunes]

There -http://www.uydudanevar.com/2012/11/astra-2f-282-dogu-teknik-ozellikleri.html that Astra-2F is not able to replace all transmissions on Astra-1N.

where did they get the data from?ses don't publish the downlink frequencies

It is said that data was appeared on SES homepage last year and shortly after publication information was removed.

 

[Huevos]

A bigger dish will never help as it will just amplify the full spectrum.

Well first it's not interference from the neighbouring transponders that is the problem, but that the dish is too small. And even if it were the neighbouring transponders that is irrelevant because all those transponders are going to move to 2F and will be at a similar level.

 

[dvdfilm]

It is said that data was appeared on SES homepage last year and shortly after publication information was removed.

thanks for this interesting information.

 

[TENERIFEFORUMTV]

I suspect it will be a lot cheaper for SES to pay to upgrade every satellite dish in the Shetlands (only around 23,000 people live there) than pay penalty clauses to their 19.2E customers when they fail to meet their contractual obligations for 2013 at that orbital position due to non-delivery of Astra 1N.

are the dishs not free from sky in the first place ?? turning into ´´local hero´´ this thread

 

[roiserra]

Not sure what your point is:

a. I can't imagine they would announce a Test frequency per se

and

b. There is widespread consensus from the well-informed that 11023 can be nothing else.

Yes, you right. My mistake on this one.

But something is wrong.(i think)

 

[kota]

There is a report on a portuguese forum, one user claims that can pick 2F, with 1,30mtrs prime focus dish, located on Guarda (Northeast of Portugal).

This is the first catch around here, but have to confirm this yet.

You're right. I would take that statement with a pintch of salt. Some members on that forum are idiots and make the most stupid assumptions out of the blue. Let him upload a screenshot as I asked proving what he's saying is true .... also he could be somewhere else and just taking the piss if he delivers a convincing picture.

 

[davidcmadrid]

Don't recall seeing anything from north of Edinburgh. It's speculation on our part, which is why a report from Orkney or Shetland would be interesting. Shetland has always "saved" us in Bergen and Stavanger, for example. It's "only" 300km from Lerwick to Bergen. If Shetland is now getting a reliable, weatherproof 60cm signal, it's amazing that the fall-off is so sharp that we can't get it even vaguely reliably on 80cm here.

Got it , given the slant angle of arrival it does seem odd that it could fall off so radically that close to the intended coverage area and yes on invesigation there is an assumption that the signal is good in the far north but no actual reports.