Advice Needed Diseqc setup? or Receiver setup?

[Jaska-oz]

You can run several fixed LNB's, and a motrized dish, from the same tuner, on an Enigma 2 receiver, like the VU+ Duo 2.
You do have to use the advanced tuner options, and manually set each dish/LNB, which does take a little time, and experimentation.
I do seem to recall a compatibility problem, with the Emp Centauri diseqc switches, known by the manufacturer, but I would search the internet, and ask Emp Centauri, as I might be thinking of a different diseqc switch.
So far the original poster has failed to describe how he has set up his tuners, or fully describe his set up, or his level of expertize, with satellite systems.

You can run several fixed LNB's, and a motrized dish, from the same tuner, on an Enigma 2 receiver, like the VU+ Duo 2.
You do have to use the advanced tuner options, and manually set each dish/LNB, which does take a little time, and experimentation.
I do seem to recall a compatibility problem, with the Emp Centauri diseqc switches, known by the manufacturer, but I would search the internet, and ask Emp Centauri, as I might be thinking of a different diseqc switch.
So far the original poster has failed to describe how he has set up his tuners, or fully describe his set up, or his level of expertize, with satellite systems.

Hi,

Not an expert just been playing for a while.
Here is a pic of my setup tries.

Yes I know great picture. I have set it up in advanced settings and using 28.2 lnb on 1.1 disec and set up the rest individually on diseqc 1.2



Not the best pics.


Thanks
Jason

 

[Mickha]

Do you have a twin LNB, on your motorized dish? As you seem to be using both Diseqc switches.
Set up one tuner at a time, so remove the cable from Tuner B.
First get the motorized dish working fully, to do this you need to add each satellite, that you have available, by continually going into the advanced menu, selecting a satellite, and adding it, using Diseqc 1.2.
You can also try manually storing each satellite, by selecting No, to Usals, and saving it separately.
e.g. Astra 1, 19.2E at position 1.
You then manually drive the dish, to 19.2E, using the Positioner Setup options, get the strongest signal quality, and save it at position 1.
You can then do the same for all the other satellites, e.g. 16E position 2, 13E position 3, 10E position 4, 9E position 5, 7E position 6, 5E position 7, 0.8W position 8, etc, then use positioner setup to drive your dish, to each satellite, and save them to the corresponding position.
If Usals are working then this makes it easier.
It might be wise to not add 28.2E, at this time, otherwise it might become confusing, as you wont know which dish is picking up the signal.
Once your motorized dish is set up, and working, through the Diseqc switch, you then add the fixed dish, by selecting Astra 2, 28.2E, LNB 2,3,4, whichever corresponds to your setup, Diseqc 1.1, if this fails try Disecq 1.0.
You need to play around, with the settings, until both are working.
You can of course just set up both tuners separately, which is a lot easier, and doesn't take very long, but then you miss out on recording, and viewing, different satellites, on both tuners.
To use both Tuners individually.
Attach the motor cable to Tuner A, go into the settings, Configuration Mode - Simple, Mode - Positioner, and enter your Usals.
Remember negative Longitude readings = West, positive = East.
Once done attach the fixed cable to Tuner B, go into the settings, select Simple, Single, and select 28.2E.

With Tuners set to Auto the receiver will select which Tuner to use, so if you start a recording, on 28.2E, with your motorized dish, then the receiver cannot move the motor, until the recording has finished.
If you set the Tuner preference to B, then the fixed dish should be selected, when you set up a recording, and the motor, Tuner A, should be free to move to other satellites.

 

[Jaska-oz]

Do you have a twin LNB, on your motorized dish? As you seem to be using both Diseqc switches.
Set up one tuner at a time, so remove the cable from Tuner B.
First get the motorized dish working fully, to do this you need to add each satellite, that you have available, by continually going into the advanced menu, selecting a satellite, and adding it, using Diseqc 1.2.
You can also try manually storing each satellite, by selecting No, to Usals, and saving it separately.
e.g. Astra 1, 19.2E at position 1.
You then manually drive the dish, to 19.2E, using the Positioner Setup options, get the strongest signal quality, and save it at position 1.
You can then do the same for all the other satellites, e.g. 16E position 2, 13E position 3, 10E position 4, 9E position 5, 7E position 6, 5E position 7, 0.8W position 8, etc, then use positioner setup to drive your dish, to each satellite, and save them to the corresponding position.
If Usals are working then this makes it easier.
It might be wise to not add 28.2E, at this time, otherwise it might become confusing, as you wont know which dish is picking up the signal.
Once your motorized dish is set up, and working, through the Diseqc switch, you then add the fixed dish, by selecting Astra 2, 28.2E, LNB 2,3,4, whichever corresponds to your setup, Diseqc 1.1, if this fails try Disecq 1.0.
You need to play around, with the settings, until both are working.
You can of course just set up both tuners separately, which is a lot easier, and doesn't take very long, but then you miss out on recording, and viewing, different satellites, on both tuners.
To use both Tuners individually.
Attach the motor cable to Tuner A, go into the settings, Configuration Mode - Simple, Mode - Positioner, and enter your Usals.
Remember negative Longitude readings = West, positive = East.
Once done attach the fixed cable to Tuner B, go into the settings, select Simple, Single, and select 28.2E.

With Tuners set to Auto the receiver will select which Tuner to use, so if you start a recording, on 28.2E, with your motorized dish, then the receiver cannot move the motor, until the recording has finished.
If you set the Tuner preference to B, then the fixed dish should be selected, when you set up a recording, and the motor, Tuner A, should be free to move to other satellites.

Hi thanks did not thick about that one.

"You can also try manually storing each satellite, by selecting No, to Usals, and saving it separately.
e.g. Astra 1, 19.2E at position 1.
You then manually drive the dish, to 19.2E, using the Positioner Setup options, get the strongest signal quality, and save it at position 1.
You can then do the same for all the other satellites, e.g. 16E position 2, 13E position 3, 10E position 4, 9E position 5, 7E position 6, 5E position 7, 0.8W position 8, etc, then use positioner setup to drive your dish, to each satellite, and save them to the corresponding position."

I just did that for the fixed dish on 28.2. I will give it a go soon and store them that way.
Tuner B is removed from the setup when I started to try this so It didn't give me errors. But tuner B only has fixed dishes no motor.
The 9/1 diseqc was tried to replace the 4/1 diseqc just in case of issues with the diseqc So the drawings was the two alternatives that I tried for the motor setup.
Thank you
Jason

 

[Archive4]

Hi,
I thought it could a conflict because a I had the fixed dish working and then had two sats of the motor working but none of the others so sound about right about the override. Guess I will have to run another line and get another tuner for the vu then. Well maybe next year.

Thanks to all for the help.

Upside-down cake
Jason

Do me a personal favour, draw a schematic of your cables and how you present them to the VU box, you do not need another tuner, just help with how you " bolt it together "
Going to have to call you " Crocodile Dundee " from now on!

 

[Jaska-oz]

Yeah but I have also been to Dundee in the northern territory Just don't go swimming. They won't just nibble your toes. Sharks have nothing on crocs they even don't like the taste on humans but crocs do. So here is the set up so far.
However 3,4 and 5 are not conected yet on the diseqc 9/1.



Thanks
Jason

 

[jeallen01]

Something else to possibly think about - did you set up the Tuners to repeat the diseqc signals in case the first ones sent to the units beyond the switches gets "managled" by the switches? Might help and probably can't do any "harm".
(was recommended to me by the guy at EMP Tech Support, whilst trying to sort out my earlier issues with the BEST switches when located downstream of one of their 4-way uncommitted switches - but it did not work because of BEST switch design faults)

Edited: just had another thought/question: is the Miracle 4-1 switch an uncommitted type, because if it is not then it won't transmit the diseqc commands correctly through to the dish and so on?

That's exactly the problem I initially had when trying to cascade several BEST switches! After discussion with EMP, the guy recommended a couple of their switches which can be set to different modes, including uncommitted, via dip switches on the cases, and so I bought an S4/1PCT-W2 (see here), and that did work correctly in cascaded mode to the BEST switches (although they still did not work properly).
(What made me suspicious of the Magic switch was that there was no mention of "uncommitted"mode, and the price is pretty low and about the same as the BEST switches - by comparison, the S4/1PCT-W2 is more like 30 Euros including shipping direct from EMP!)

BTW, my own setup is quite similar to your sketch, except that the 8-1 switch on Tuner B is replaced by a 10-1 Opticum, there is no switch on Tuner A, and one of the ports on the Opticum was/would be (but is not currently) connected to the 2nd half of the Twin on the steerable dish - so solutions that work for you should probably work for me, unless the set-up process for the Vu+ Duo2 is significantly different to that for the Vu+ Solo2 in this area.

 

[Archive4]

Milamber

Excuse me for asking a "stupid" question, but how would you set a tuner to "autotuner" and how would you cancel that?

FWIW: the setup you describe in Post #28 was roughly what I had when I got the results described in Post 16 (Tuner A to Steerable Dish motor and thus dish to one half of the Twin LNB on it, and Tuner B to diseqc 10:1 switch and thus to the LNBs on fixed dishes - although one of those was actually the 2nd half of the Twin on the steerable dish) - that was with the Vu+Solo2 and OpenVix 4.0 (or thereabouts).

Sorry for the late reply, and I can see from the subsequent posts you have found it in the menus. Sorry again.
Jason, aka upside down cake etc. I´m going to search the shed for a diseqc switch and screw my own system up so I know how to make yours work correctly! Will have a look tomorrow, or possibly today if I can get an hour or two access to the tv, SWMBO will want something on, I´m sure ( TV programme wise that is, before you all start! )

 

[jeallen01]

Milamber

Please take a look at what I said above about diseqc switches as Jason currently has a quite a basic switch between Tuner B and the steerable dish (and one LNB on the fixed dishes) and I think that could be a part of his problems. Certainly, when I cascaded the BEST switches after the EMP one then access to the LNBs on the outputs of the BEST was problematical and unreliable, with no access at all to Ports C&D (and that was later confirmed by the guy at EMP when I sent both of them back to him for testing).

PS: was faced with the same SWMBO problem a few weeks ago - that's why I fitted Smart Priority Switches in the lines from the dishes, with the new cables running to our 3rd bedroom/office where the receivers and a couple of cheap monitors and our PC's are now located. Makes life easier, although, TBH, the Sky box is now connected to the Zone 2 dish which is now on the conservatory roof, and is entirely separate from the dishes at the end of the garden (OTOH, this sort of setup may not be viable for you unless you put up another dish - or maybe just another/twin LNB on an existing dish - just for 28E!).

 

[Archive4]

OK, been to the shed and found a 4 way diseqc switch, slippery little sod, too me over half an hour to find one!
Reconfigured my box using tuner A. ( locked it on tuner a in software )
Set the config to Advanced and selected " all satellites 1 ( usals ) and saved that. Then stepped through to 28.2 and changed the lnb to lnb2 and swapped the " use USALS for this sat " to no. Changed diseqc 1.1 command to port B. Saved that.
Works fine switching from sat to sat via the motor. Also works ok when switching to 28.2 and goes to diseqc 2 as requested.
BUT, when switching back to motor ( usals ) get a blank screen and no signal. However, put the box in standby for ten seconds and switch back on, hey presto! Signal is back to normal. Could be a glitch in the OpenVix software?
Will have another play using the Selecting satellites 1 ( Usals ) option, after Strictly Come Dancing ( If I muck about during that I´ll never make another post )
@Jaska-oz , try the same on your set up.

Tuner A only, motor on port a (1) fixed dish on port b (2)

 

[a33]

@Jaska-oz :
The 4/1 switch would be a diseqc 1.0 switch, so you have to give diseqc 1.0 commands. In the picture you don't.
The motor not only needs a motor command, but also a diseqc 1.0 command in this setup!
BTW Your drawing in #45 is different from the drawings in #41; there you have a motorized dish on both switches?
That way you make it very very difficult to really help you :-(

BTW2 I would connect motor between receiver and switch, not between switch and LNB. Then you wouldn't need diseqc repeats or so, so a possible problem cause less. Is that possible for you?

Greetz,
A33

 

[Mickha]

The 4/1 switch would be a diseqc 1.0 switch, so you have to give diseqc 1.0 commands. In the picture you don't.
The motor not only needs a motor command, but also a diseqc 1.0 command!
BTW Your drawing in #45 is different from the drawings in #41; there you have a motorized dish on both switches?
That way you make it very very very difficult to really help you :-(

BTW2 I would connect motor between receiver and switch, not between switch and LNB. Then you wouldn't need diseqc repeats or so, so a possible problem cause less. Is that possible for you?

Greetz,
A33

He explained the drawings, in a previous post:

"The 9/1 diseqc was tried to replace the 4/1 diseqc just in case of issues with the diseqc So the drawings was the two alternatives that I tried for the motor setup.
Thank you
Jason"

 

[Archive4]

OK, been to the shed and found a 4 way diseqc switch, slippery little sod, too me over half an hour to find one!
Reconfigured my box using tuner A. ( locked it on tuner a in software )
Set the config to Advanced and selected " all satellites 1 ( usals ) and saved that. Then stepped through to 28.2 and changed the lnb to lnb2 and swapped the " use USALS for this sat " to no. Changed diseqc 1.1 command to port B. Saved that.
Works fine switching from sat to sat via the motor. Also works ok when switching to 28.2 and goes to diseqc 2 as requested.
BUT, when switching back to motor ( usals ) get a blank screen and no signal. However, put the box in standby for ten seconds and switch back on, hey presto! Signal is back to normal. Could be a glitch in the OpenVix software?
Will have another play using the Selecting satellites 1 ( Usals ) option, after Strictly Come Dancing ( If I muck about during that I´ll never make another post )
@Jaska-oz , try the same on your set up.

Tuner A only, motor on port a (1) fixed dish on port b (2)

OK, now sorted it out, you have to set the " All satellites 1 ( Usals ) " to sent the 1.0 command to return to port a ( 1 ) otherwise the switch stays on port b ( 2 )

 

[Archive4]

Image of settings

 

[Archive4]

OK, now sorted it out, you have to set the " All satellites 1 ( Usals ) " to sent the 1.0 command to return to port a ( 1 ) otherwise the switch stays on port b ( 2 )

Sorry, just read my original post on the set up. On 28.2 should read Diseqc 1.0 command to port b ( not 1.1 command )
Would probably work using 1.1 commands rather than 1.0 commands, but it´s working so I am not going to break it!

 

[Archive4]

@Jaska-oz :
The 4/1 switch would be a diseqc 1.0 switch, so you have to give diseqc 1.0 commands. In the picture you don't.
The motor not only needs a motor command, but also a diseqc 1.0 command in this setup!
BTW Your drawing in #45 is different from the drawings in #41; there you have a motorized dish on both switches?
That way you make it very very difficult to really help you :-(

BTW2 I would connect motor between receiver and switch, not between switch and LNB. Then you wouldn't need diseqc repeats or so, so a possible problem cause less. Is that possible for you?

Greetz,
A33

I have my switch connected by a short cable from the receiver , port A going to the motor and port B to the fixed dish, so do not think this is an issue.

 

[Mickha]

If you select the All Satellites option, instead of manually adding the satellites, ensure you have your motor limits set correctly, which is a good idea even if you manually add the satellites, to prevent your motor travelling too far and damaging it, and possibly your dish.
Check your motor for hardware limits, and how to set them.

 

[a33]

He explained the drawings, in a previous post:

"The 9/1 diseqc was tried to replace the 4/1 diseqc just in case of issues with the diseqc So the drawings was the two alternatives that I tried for the motor setup.
Thank you
Jason"

Ah, sorry, I must have missed that.
But it is good that we now have the drawing of the actual (/wished) setup.

Greetz,
A33

 

[a33]

I have my switch connected by a short cable from the receiver , port A going to the motor and port B to the fixed dish, so do not think this is an issue.

The shortness of the cable isn't relevant for if it is an issue or not ;) .
Some (older) diseqc switches cannot handle the needed motor-current; that is why I usually prefer the setup of motor directly coupled to receiver.

Diseqc order and diseqc repeat can be relevant in certain setups; but if it works correctly, it obviously isn't an issue .

greetz,
A33

 

[Archive4]

I take your point about the older diseqc switches not being able to handle the current, but I was trying to emulate Jason´s set up so connected it that was round. ( Also it was dark and I could not be bothered to go on the roof to set it up! )
Just for the record, in case it proves relevant later, I´m using a Galaxy Innovations 4x1 switch diseqc 2.0