Dish installation when rules & restrictions forbid it

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Would you be allowed to build a glass shed, in your garden?
Then no need to use a window of your home, to put your dish behind.
But of course, when the rain forms a film of water on the glass, the reception will deteriorate.

BTW I've once seen a test, that instead of glass, (dry) plywood works about as well as glass!

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Would you be allowed to build a glass shed, in your garden?
Shed, within limits, yes but but not for a dish. I think they added something to the effect that an enclosure (radome) for a dish needs permission. This would be fine though.
 

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I always thought the loophole of adding wheels to any large dish is stupid. It just makes it look even more obstrusive.
 

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I always thought the loophole of adding wheels to any large dish is stupid. It just makes it look even more obstrusive.
Except, when as John does, it gets wheeled into a building (in his case, his garage) and so disappears - but, I agree that just making the dish mobile by adding wheels is "stretching a point" a long way! OTOH, but, hey, one is often dealing with coucil "box tickers" and so you might use that route if it works for you!

FWIW, we had a similar problem over 20 yrs ago when local council planners would not let us build a conservatory up to the property boundary because that would mean that the conservatory wall was not at 90, but more like 110, deg to the house wall, even though the neighbours had no objections!.

Then my architect had a brainwave - build that wall and an adjacent bit of the conservatory under "permitted development" which we were legally able to do without planning permission , and then apply for planning permission for the rest of the conservatory! Which is what we did with no further council objections - so we now have a "conventionally weird" (it's actually pentagonal, with no 2 walls parallel to each other!) shaped conservatory which actually "fits" the property and the garden layouts far better than what the council wanted to initially insist on, and we've never had any objections from neighbours, including the 2 families that bought next door after the conservatory was erected.

So, lateral-thinking may often solve/get around local box-ticker objections without causing any real problems (except taking longer and costing more than the obvious/no solution routes")
 

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If your going to put a dish on wheels, don't do it this way.
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If your going to put a dish on wheels, don't do it this way.
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OTOH, the concept of fixing a "smallish" (whatever that might be taken to mean?) dish to a "random something" is not in itself to be casually dismissed.

Fixing a dish to "something" that is not itself actually fixed to the ground is really no different to using a dedicated satellite dish "Non Penetrating Ground Mount" (NPGM) - and could work provided that that "something" can firmly support the dish and be swivelled to align it, but then will not then easily be accidently knocked out of alignment!

Thus, that might not be a supermarket shopping trolley (as in the pic!) but could be anything from an up-turned bucket (we've seen those on the forum!) to an old (immobile!) car that you planned to restore but didn't, or maybe even a small section of scaffolding that is erected, free-standing, on the ground - the only limit (apart from time, money and available effort) is the owner's imagination!
 
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And we have yet to see (in this thread anyway!) examples of dishes disguised by creative locations, painting, camo-netting and so on - so please post examples of what you think seems to have worked effectively.
 

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I always thought the loophole of adding wheels to any large dish is stupid. It just makes it look even more obstrusive.
I've only seen it in respect of major things like building a house inside a large barn but the courts take a dim view of hiding things (if discovered). If it's in plain sight, you have a chance that it will be accepted by default after some years.

The tin dish, like John's, was kept in a garage. It's also handy being able to move the dish to get different views of the sky if your don't have clear view in every direction from one location.
 

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If it's in plain sight, you have a chance that it will be accepted by default after some years.
>> If it's in plain sight, you have a chance that it will be accepted by default after some years. <<

At least in my neck of the woods this is true - also known as, as well as other things - 'Grandfather Rights' .
 

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Follow-on to post #24:

Just thought I'd show what the conservatory might have looked like if the council's planners had had their way when it was built, as indicated In the photo below: the red line and "Note A" indicates where the wall would have been if we had not gone the "permitted development" route, and "Note B" indicates where it was actually built after we did.

So, which position do you think works/looks the better and more sensible one?
PS: and WTH could we have done with the "dead space" that the "council wall" would have created between the conservatory and the boundary fence (which belongs to our property)?

And, so maybe that would give someone an idea of how one can work around "rules and restrictions" that could render something "unviable"?Conservatory 2023-06-23, showing wall position.JPG

PPS: If you look on top of the conservatory, you can just see the Zone 2 Dish for Astra 2 at 28E - but it's a lot less visible after I spray painted it than it would have been if I had left it the original colour grey!
 
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I knew someone who lived a good few floors up in a block of flats where there was a no dish rule. So they had a brainwave, get a garden table and paint it the same colour as the large dish they were going get. Then they had the table folded up so it looked like a dish, put it on the balcony so it was visible from the ground and waited. Building management contacted them and said they must remember no dishes allowed. The management were invited to see the table and chairs and my friend said no dish here just our table. Then after a few weeks they replaced the table with the dish and had no problems.
 

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And we have yet to see (in this thread anyway!) examples of dishes disguised by creative locations, painting, camo-netting and so on - so please post examples of what you think seems to have worked effectively.
The whole point of camouflage, it works.

 

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@Channel Hopper

One of the intentions of this thread is to give the members actual examples - or direct Links thereto - of whatever method has been used use to "work around" the "rules & restrictions", so that they can get good ideas as to what might work for them.

OTOH, if the camoflage is so good that you can't see the dish (or "whatever"), then you won't understand what and how it has been done, and what is involved in doing it - so that's why I asked for examples/links thereto!:rolleyes:
 

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Ref my comments in post #35 about camouflage, it seems that I should point people to my "We see no Dishes" thread which PaulR resurrected a few days ago, and (whilst escaping from the sun & heat this afternoon!) add a few relevant comments as follows:

- the garden isn't huge but it does stretch about 25-30m from the back of the terrace of which ours is at the end, and there's dividing fence with a couple of adjacent trees in the middle (hence the title of the thread linked above);

- the far end of the garden has a 6' (almost 2m) high wooden fence, meaning that people walking down the private road beyond it cannot see into the garden (without standing on a ladder!);

- the dishes were installed not much above ground level in an area of the garden which is surrounded by comparatively high fences and buildings (the greenhouse and both my and my neighbour's garage), and so they can only effectively be seen from ground eye-level from a very limited direction;

- most of the smaller dishes are between the long high fence & garage behind them and my greenhouse & garage, and take advantage of the fact that offset dishes do not "look" straight at a sat but get the signal from directions significantly above that - and so most of mine are actually "looking over" my greenhouse and garage;

- OTOH, one of the fixed dishes is tucked into a corner between the long high fence and the garden-dividing fence, and faces away from our terrace, so, again, it can only be seen from a very limited angle of view;

- another very low-mounted dish actually looks "around" a corner of the greenhouse and just manages to point at 30W without being blocked by the trees next to the garden-dividing fence, or the roofline of the terrace;

- the 2 steerable dishes have to be mounted higher and on poles in order to scan 40W to 53E without being blocked by the garages and greenhouse - and also because the feedarms are longish and I'd hit my head on them if they were much lower! That's why I put camo netting (e.g. from Amazon or eBay) over them, but had previously painted both with zigzag patterns of red-oxide primer and "foliage green" matt spray paint so that they "sort of" blend into the green drooping foliage from the large tree in next door's garden (and are still fairly well screened from that direction when the foliage falls off in Winter).

Hopefully the above comments may give people some ideas as to where and how their dishes could be located and yet not be "too obtrusive" and/or fall foul of those damned "rules and restrictions" (and, of course, the all-important SWMBO!) .
 
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When is a dish not a dish? I once lived in a brand new build flat for year with a no-dish policy. The owner of the flat was fine with having the dish up as long as no holes were drilled in walls etc.

I stuck a Penta 85 square dish on the stand on the balcony and noone ever said a word.

 

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When is a dish not a dish? I once lived in a brand new build flat for year with a no-dish policy. The owner of the flat was fine with having the dish up as long as no holes were drilled in walls etc.

I stuck a Penta 85 square dish on the stand on the balcony and noone ever said a word.

As I wrote earlier "it all depends" on who is responsible for enforcing them, and the extent to which they actually do!"
 

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As I wrote earlier "it all depends" on who is responsible for enforcing them, and the extent to which they actually do!"
As I wrote earlier "it all depends" on who is responsible for enforcing them, and the extent to which they actually do!"
 

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We now need more examples of creative solutions of hiding dishes in plain sight - such as recessing them into walls (etc.) and/or painting them. The forum certainly has a number of these that were posted recently and so should be relatively easy to find if one knows what to look for!
 
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