Advice Needed Low Symbol Rate Dutch Radio feeds on 16°E

[Adam792]

30°W also has some, for RNE on 11302H and 11382H (plus others) - PIDs ending 81 - so 181, 281, 381 etc.

python3 uecp.py 181
17:59:58 | ADDR: 00000 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x1 | 0x07 [PTY] | 0x1
18:00:08 | ADDR: 00002 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | Maestros Cantores (Ricardo De Cala)
18:00:08 | ADDR: 00002 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | Programa que acerca la actualidad operística y las grandes voces
18:00:12 | ADDR: 00003 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | La Reserva De La Fonosfera (Juan Suárez)
18:00:12 | ADDR: 00003 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | El último refugio de las almas heridas las músicas extravagantes
18:00:12 | ADDR: 00004 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | Butlletins De Noticies
18:00:12 | ADDR: 00005 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | Boletines Rne
18:00:12 | ADDR: 00005 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | Toda la información nacional, internacional y deportiva
18:00:16 | ADDR: 16384 | 0x0D [CT] | 2022-11-26 19:00:10.00 (+0.0)
18:00:16 | ADDR: 32768 | 0x0D [CT] | 2022-11-26 19:00:10.07 (+0.0)
18:00:16 | ADDR: 49152 | 0x0D [CT] | 2022-11-26 19:00:10.14 (-1.0)

On 23.5°E the Slovakian radio stations have it via the service "RDS SAT" using PID 5830 on 12363V.

 

[MCelliotG]

I see the code needs a mapping table to the corresponding PTY descriptions

0x0    No type
0x1    News
0x2    Current affairs
0x3    Information
0x4    Sport
0x5    Education
0x6    Drama
0x7    Culture
0x8    Science
0x9    Variable/Varied Speech
0xa    Pop Music
0xb    Rock Music
0xc    Easy Listening
0xe    Light Classical
0xd    Serious Classical
0xf    Other Music
0x10    Weather
0x11    Finance
0x12    Children’s Programs
0x13    Social Affairs
0x14    Religion
0x15    Phone-in Talk
0x16    Travel
0x17    Leisure   
0x18    Jazz Music
0x19    Country Music   
0x1a    National Music
0x1b    Oldies Music
0x1c    Folk Music
0x1d    Documentary
0x1e    Alarm Test
0x1f    Alarm

 

[Adam792]

I see the code needs a mapping table to the corresponding PTY descriptions

0x0    No type
0x1    News
0x2    Current affairs
0x3    Information
0x4    Sport
0x5    Education
0x6    Drama
0x7    Culture
0x8    Science
0x9    Variable/Varied Speech
0xa    Pop Music
0xb    Rock Music
0xc    Easy Listening
0xe    Light Classical
0xd    Serious Classical
0xf    Other Music
0x10    Weather
0x11    Finance
0x12    Children’s Programs
0x13    Social Affairs
0x14    Religion
0x15    Phone-in Talk
0x16    Travel
0x17    Leisure  
0x18    Jazz Music
0x19    Country Music  
0x1a    National Music
0x1b    Oldies Music
0x1c    Folk Music
0x1d    Documentary
0x1e    Alarm Test
0x1f    Alarm

Great, thanks for those! I will add them.

I’ve gradually been adding things to it over time when I’ve felt like spending some time on it, like the accented characters map (as used in the RNE Radio text shown above).

In the script I’ve set it to filter group, 0x30 etc, because otherwise you get swamped with RDS TMC traffic messages on some of the feeds!

 

[jsda30]

30°W also has some, for RNE on 11302H and 11382H (plus others) - PIDs ending 81 - so 181, 281, 381 etc.

python3 uecp.py 181
17:59:58 | ADDR: 00000 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x1 | 0x07 [PTY] | 0x1
18:00:08 | ADDR: 00002 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | Maestros Cantores (Ricardo De Cala)
18:00:08 | ADDR: 00002 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | Programa que acerca la actualidad operística y las grandes voces
18:00:12 | ADDR: 00003 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | La Reserva De La Fonosfera (Juan Suárez)
18:00:12 | ADDR: 00003 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | El último refugio de las almas heridas las músicas extravagantes
18:00:12 | ADDR: 00004 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | Butlletins De Noticies
18:00:12 | ADDR: 00005 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | Boletines Rne
18:00:12 | ADDR: 00005 | DSN: 0xff | PSN: 0x0 | 0x0A [RT] | Toda la información nacional, internacional y deportiva
18:00:16 | ADDR: 16384 | 0x0D [CT] | 2022-11-26 19:00:10.00 (+0.0)
18:00:16 | ADDR: 32768 | 0x0D [CT] | 2022-11-26 19:00:10.07 (+0.0)
18:00:16 | ADDR: 49152 | 0x0D [CT] | 2022-11-26 19:00:10.14 (-1.0)

On 23.5°E the Slovakian radio stations have it via the service "RDS SAT" using PID 5830 on 12363V.

great work
how can i add to my e2 box?
where can i insert the file?
thanks in advanced

 

[Analoguesat]

great work
how can i add to my e2 box?
where can i insert the file?
thanks in advanced

Read all the info on the forum - in this section - this has been covered before on several occasions. We dont do step by step instructions for topics on this forum. Anyway the only way to learn E2 boxes is to learn, make mistakes, redo it & understand what you did wrong.

 

[jsda30]

Read all the info on the forum - in this section - this has been covered before on several occasions. We dont do step by step instructions for topics on this forum. Anyway the only way to learn E2 boxes is to learn, make mistakes, redo it & understand what you did wrong.

im so sorry
ill never doing again

 

[cirio70]

I don't think it's been posted before but i found, not listed on flysat, on 11053.6 H 375 3/5
SKY radio TNZ and Radio Veronica TNZ both in MP2.
(They probably moved from 11.055,7 where i can find nothing..)



In the nearby i think there is more to scan:

 

[EnoSat]

Maybe your 11053.65 is SatSeacher's 11055.72 on Flysat, or it moved forward and they launched 2x SR-66 there

 

[cirio70]

Maybe your 11053.65 is SatSeacher's 11055.72 on Flysat, or it moved forward and they launched 2x SR-66 there

At the moment i receive:

11053.65 - Sky + Veronica
11053.99 - BNR Ams
11054.33 - Radio 10 + radio 538 TNZ

And nothing more

In high band:
12576.1 H - Joe ("SID 25599")
12576.6 H - Q music (named "Sid 21438")
12577.09 H - QNL AMS

 

[cirio70]

In addiction to the previous post, today with clearer skies i locked
11053.2 V 366 3/4 - 100% NL + Slam

 

[cirio70]

In addiction to the previous post, today with clearer skies i locked
11053.2 V 366 3/4 - 100% NL + Slam

Of course i meant 11053.2 H
Thanks to @EnoSat

 

[SimonE]

cirio70 is the signal on 11053.2 DVB S or S2?

 

[cirio70]

I checked few minutes ago and it's DVB-S QPSK

 

[SimonE]

Thanks cirio70.
The reason I asked is I'm using an RTL-SDR with DVB demod software on a laptop from Amsat DL that claims to lock both DVB-S and S2. Clearly it doesn't manage DVB-S.
SimonE

 

[Adam792]

Finally got most of the lower ones to lock today (at least for a couple of seconds), using SDR with the Demod program.

The frequency from my LNB has around a 290kHz offset from @cirio70 's by the look of it

11053.49 H 365 DVB-S 3/4
SID 1000 100%NL
SID 2000 Slam!

11053.94 H 376 DVB-S2 QPSK 3/5
SID 417 Sky Radio
SID 674 Veronica

11054.63 H 354 DVB-S 2/3
SID 5380 Radio 538
SID 1010 Radio 10

11054.28 H 176 DVB-S 1/2 with BNR was the only one of that group that wouldn't lock, just slightly too noisy still.

There are two other very narrow ones just above these as I think mentioned above with SR ~66 -

11055.00 H 66
11055.20 H 66

 

[Joolz]

Thanks cirio70.
The reason I asked is I'm using an RTL-SDR with DVB demod software on a laptop from Amsat DL that claims to lock both DVB-S and S2. Clearly it doesn't manage DVB-S.
SimonE

I managed to get it to lock with Amsat DL but with a symbol rate of 364ks. RSP2 and PLL LNB - I struggle on RTL SDR
Also locks no issue on TBS5927

 

[cirio70]

There are two other very narrow ones just above these as I think mentioned above with SR ~66 -

11055.00 H 66
11055.20 H 66

Yes, they're ther but i can't lock'em

 

[satesco]

Hi, Adam, Hi, Joolz,

I notice a slight difference between your AMsat-DL app and the one I have, although they seem to be identical versions. As you can see, I do not choose 5000000 bandwidth.
How could you select this value? Manual input is not possible.

Hi,cirio70,
I hope someone here finds out what transmissions are on these muxes with such a low-rate symbol with SDR.
Maybe with this occasion, we will know which symbol rate is valid, 80 or 68 Ks, because these are with a question mark.

 

[cirio70]

Hi, Adam, Hi, Joolz,

I notice a slight difference between your AMsat-DL app and the one I have, although they seem to be identical versions. As you can see, I do not choose 5000000 bandwidth.
How could you select this value? Manual input is not possible.

Hi,cirio70,
I hope someone here finds out what transmissions are on these muxes with such a low-rate symbol with SDR.
Maybe with this occasion, we will know which symbol rate is valid, 80 or 68 Ks, because these are with a question mark.

I tried whit SDR too but nothing!
And BTW me too i can't select bandwidth 50000000, maybe is sdr dongle dependant?
I see @Joolz got a SDRPlay, maybe is more performant than a simple 2838 like ours...

 

[Adam792]

Yes the the 5MHz bandwidth will depend on an SDR device that supports that rate. RTL-SDR (RTL2838) has a max bandwidth of 3.2MHz, but 2.4 or 2.8 is most stable.