My C band install

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So I've had this Precision 1.2m dish in my garage for a few years having been donated it from a friend who was downsizing. It was one of those things that I never thought I'd really use but didn't want to get rid of it, just in case ... Having recently reclaimed some of the garden it seemed like a nice spot to plant a dish and then along came Vipersan and all his mad experiments with SUDs :D

The dish mount spent the morning at my friendly welders having the actuator arm moved from one side to the other so I could get all the way round west, it should allow me to get 40E, maybe a bit more with some modification but trees will certainly spoil my chances of 49E. As I missed my solar noon window with the dish in situ I used the string and post trick lining it up with the shadow cast to give me a fairly good idea of where south is. Squared the mount, nipped it up and inserted an old Best Ku LNB into the C band feed. It's not exactly the preferred method of finding a satellite but short of a meter or even a C120 Ku LNB it's all I had. Anyway, 5w was found quite easily, I've been driving the dish using an old 12v PSU which although slow does mean I can just flick a switch to move the dish. A swap of LNBs, change to Crazycats Crazyscan spectrum software and very quickly a few humps appeared in the trace. I blindscanned the satellite and up popped some signals!

This is a copy of the blindscan results

1=3646,H,2169,34,QPSK
2=3727,H,29950,78,QPSK
3=3731,V,11960,23,QPSK
4=3743,V,1680,34,NBC_QPSK
5=4076,V,3000,12,QPSK
6=4111,V,2141,56,NBC_QPSK
7=4114,V,2142,56,QPSK
8=4154,V,2289,78,QPSK
9=4160,V,1944,78,QPSK
10=4162,V,1499,34,QPSK
11=4168,V,2222,56,NBC_QPSK


So here's a few pics of the installation, it's still work in progress but now I've actually had signals from 5W I think I can say I've joined the C banders :cool:

Explanation of the pics
1+2 The ground mount, the ground it's in is actually only a few years old, previous to that it was about 3ft lower but I escavated some of the garden and built it up at the top, although it's been compacted I wanted to make absolutely sure that it wasn't going to move especially if I can get a larger dish.

3, Setting the focal length for the dish and working out how to attach the feed.

4 A close up of the brackets, I'm not able to get near my workshop at the moment so everything is having to be done on a workmate with some simple tools. Once I can get to a lathe I should be able to make up some new shorter support arms, I've already made the straight brackets to hold the feed onto them. I did think about using threaded bar, the same as the ground mount but it's just a lot of extra weight as they are steel.

5 My first C band signal! STV Cameroon has special significance for me as I received their channel 2 VHF transmitter a few years ago via Sporadic E in my other hobby of DXTV.

6 Tele Africa, quite a respectable signal.

7 Now this is a strange one, a scan of 3727, showing quite clearly there's something there with a 6.4dB S/N ratio, in fact a spectrum sweep shows it is one of the stronger signals on 5W but when I switch to DVBDream it absolutely fails to find any hint of signal even though I'm using the results of a blindscan.

8 My shack with a view lol Don't think I'd be doing this in January.


So that's it for now, if the weather holds till tomorrow I'll be back out and venturing a bit further west. I still need to 'tweak' the dish, play with the dielectric plate to see what difference it makes and I may even make a new one of VSs design. I need to buy a V box and run the coax and motor cabling back to my room and generally tidy everything up.

I just want to add at this point how much Vipersan has inspired me to try this, I would never really have thought C band on a 1.2m would work, I definitely wouldn't have bothered setting this lot up to try it had I not read his threads and followed the disaster thread from start to finish so cheers VS :-righton:-righton:-righton
 

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Excellent job there :)
 

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Looks good!

aceb said:
I need to buy a V box
I really recommend the Clarke-Tech. It's got twice the resolution of all other v-boxes. It must count the opening and closing points of the reed switch rather than just one count per cycle.
 

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hi - aceb --

it looks good - and a good result - and quite a few more to come - i think :)
my first C band results were with a 1 metre (channel master offset)
and continued from there ----
the Precision 1.2m will do quite well i think once everything is fine tuned -
nice one -:) i hope it encourages more members to give C band a go.

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Looking Ace ....err Ace ...

Nice job ...and lots to look forward to I suspect ..
Welcome to the C-bandits club ..

Definately a detour from the norm ..and has more in common with DXing than standard setups with ku..

Keep the reports ...pictures..and finds coming ...
It doesn't matter if they've been posted before ....they will be new captures for you ..and thats what counts.

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Nice install aceb :)

I just need a decent-sized dish now after a forlorn attempt at finding a few watchable channels on my existing setup...
 

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nice one aceb your get hooked on c-band,does your dish reach 40W,if so you should pick up south american channels.
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aceb, how do you get the TCP ip streaming address to show in Constellation Monitoring? Don't have that section in mine.
 

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pride21 said:
you should pick up south american channels.
Yeah, there are some great soap operas and plenty of Chavez propaganda.

Llew said:
aceb, how do you get the TCP ip streaming address to show in Constellation Monitoring? Don't have that section in mine.
That software looks pretty interesting. I'd love to see more shots, including the spectrum. How do you rate the card for tuner sensitivity, and what are you comparing to.
 

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Hi Aceb ...
I'm with Llew on this one ..

I stopped using dvb cards some while back ..
But I have a blindscan rev ss2 card ...and a Twinhan SD...and an S2-3200 ...
Non of which are currently in use ..

Perhaps time to resurrect at least one of these cards ..

I'm not familliar with Crazycats ...so perhaps you could give a description of what exactly you are using ..
hardware and software ..

I'm always in the market for new ideas and innovation..

rgds
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Huevos said:
Yeah, there are some great soap operas and plenty of Chavez propaganda.

That software looks pretty interesting. I'd love to see more shots, including the spectrum. How do you rate the card for tuner sensitivity, and what are you comparing to.

Do I take it from your question Huevos ..that this software is specific to a particular card ?

If so which one ?

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Huevos said:
That software looks pretty interesting. I'd love to see more shots, including the spectrum. How do you rate the card for tuner sensitivity, and what are you comparing to.

I'll be doing an analysis of some of the more interesting aspects of the TBS 6925 soon, just need the time to do it. Sensitivity-wise, I can only go on past experience of other cards I've had with the same dish set-up etc. I would rate the 6295 as equal or better than any of the others. Not very scientific, but I have no problems with fringe footprints such as Amos 3 and the verticals on Nilesat.
 

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Vipersan said:
If so which one ?
The card is a TBS 6925 I believe, but I'm not certain. I don't know what software comes bundled but I am guessing the constellation diagram is part of BLscan. Maybe we should start a new thread on this because I'm pretty interested in the card and I'd like Llew and Aceb to expand on what software they are using, whether it is open source, is there any charge, and what tasks each piece of software can do.
 

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Agreed Huevos ..
Another thread in the dvb card card forum is a good idea.

All new to me but I'm very interested.
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Yes, I'll be starting a thread on the TBS 6925 (or contributing to one if anyone else has one and would be interested in doing the same).

Meanwhile here'a a scan and constellation diagram I've just done of a 16PSK ACM feed on Telstar 11N.
The diagram shows the 16 separate points of the constellation.
 

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Llew said:
here'a a scan and constellation diagram I've just done of a 16PSK ACM feed
That's a pretty pattern. It reminds me of Spirograph.
 

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Captain Jack said:
Must..... resist......
....not me m8 ...
my resolve has already been tested ...and found wanting ..
I've started saving for one already ...
I'm only sad it will take me a few weeks ...but now resigned to own one of these 'pro' cards.

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The sweep I scanned in the pic was of course only just over a 25MHz range, as I knew what I was looking for having seen the fat 'hill' on my speccy.

A bigger sweep range over both polarities would give a diagram more similar to one you would see on a 'real' speccy. You get two lines of different colour showing H and V signals.

The actual sweep only takes a few seconds, as the scanning of the chosen range has already been done with the CrazyScan Blindscan programme, which automatically sends the results to the scanner.
 
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