If you read what I said, I never said that the FTA makers had anything to do with the hack; to be more clear in my point..., the FTA makers simply took the IDEA and RSA keys and developed or assisted development of the software to use their respective receivers. I agree that if a hack is extremely difficult or costly they will abandon ship and leave those that have no idea whats going on with "true FTA" boxes and nothing more. I don't really care, this is a true hobby for me and I will just watch what is truly FTA if/when a hack is made available. I'm not one of those folks out there that spend 1000+ dollars a year in hacks just to watch TV. I myself maintain a moderately priced subscription package with Bell over here, as watching free tv really isn't worth the hastle unless your just in it for fun. I am very aware that DVB PCI cards were the first ones out of the starting block. You have to admit though that logically, if you were an asian company who went from hundreds of FTA units sold per year to thousands, wouldn't you want to keep the ball rolling regardless of who actually found the hack first. I see no reason why you interpreted my post as you did, all I have to say is watch the rude tone, we're all in this together, regardless of who when and how, lets just say, a few PPV's later and a few bucks less spent on a movie rental.....alot of us are happy.