Help Required Radio VINCI Autoroutes 107,7 (possibly 33°E)

[rodscha]

black rock and Qatar!! makes me want to use our Route 66...the old national roads!

 

[Channel Hopper]

A bit - actually a lot - about the company.

Vinci, Company Profile - Corporate Watch

Actually I was to have posted another link about the business, but have mislaid it in the laptop history.

 

[rodscha]

it s just a building company...Bouygues is our other big one & Bin Laden is a big Saudi one...
every nation has a few of these!
Only a few do broadcasting however!

 

[Channel Hopper]

it s just a building company...Bouygues is our other big one & Bin Laden is a big Saudi one...
every nation has a few of these!
Only a few do broadcasting however!

Vinci Energies — wind farms, photovoltaics, energy transport, communication technology and urban management including high frequency radio, C.C.T.V., street and public lighting.

The link I mislaid last night.

https://www.vinci.com/publi/vinci/vinci-2020-universal-registration-document.pdf

 

[Adam792]

Indeed, on 11140 V we have an AOL. I checked other pids but it doesn't take me anywhere.
As an aside, I'm usually looking for such "truffle" like you, but I assure you if they were on this satellite I would have reported it. That doesn't mean they can't be discovered as long as you have better tools. Maybe in this case there are enough dvb apps that we use as usual.
Of all, IQmonitor also looks for subliminal signals and sometimes finds them and in some cases lock them. But that can't help us if the settings the broadcaster makes are not hidden or encoded. Of course it's a fanciful hypothesis.
I wonder, how do you know for sure that on this satellite is broadcasting Radio Vinci?
Ok, I'll be more careful from now on when I visit this position.

Can you lock anything on 12587 V 8333 DVB-S2 QPSK 1/4 ?

It locks on my Octagon SF8008 mini, and on a dvbsnoop PID scan I got a single PID 470 (there may be more, but I didn't leave it scanning for very long). This PID seemed to contain mainly empty packets, like satellite RDS streams often do.

I've just tried to lock it on my PC card to get a full TS dump, but it doesn't lock on there.

 

[satesco]

Hi Adam.

I locked 12587 V, then recorded the stream with PID 2040. It may be the stream you are looking for. But for that, you need to analyze the ts file, which you can download here.
Here are the IP and UDP of this stream:10.30.36.2:57456

 

[EnoSat]

---------------------------------------------------------
Transponder PID-Scan...
---------------------------------------------------------
PID found:    0 (0x0000)  [SECTION: Program Association Table (PAT)]
PID found:   16 (0x0010)  [SECTION: Network Information Table (NIT) - actual network]
PID found:   17 (0x0011)  [SECTION: Service Description Table (SDT) - actual transport stream]
PID found:   18 (0x0012)  [SECTION: Event Information Table (EIT) - actual transport stream, present/following]
PID found:   20 (0x0014)  [SECTION: Time Date Table (TDT)]
PID found:  870 (0x0366)  [unknown]
PID found: 2000 (0x07d0)  [SECTION: Program Map Table (PMT)]
PID found: 2040 (0x07f8)  [SECTION: DSM-CC - private data section  // DVB datagram]
PID found: 3000 (0x0bb8)  [SECTION: Program Map Table (PMT)]
PID found: 3001 (0x0bb9)  [SECTION: IP/MAC Notification Table (INT) [EN 301 192]]

PID:  2040 (0x07f8)

Guess table from table id...
DSM-CC DATAGRAM-decoding....
Table_ID: 62 (0x3e)  [= DSM-CC - private data section  // DVB datagram]
section_syntax_indicator: 1 (0x01)
private_indicator: 0 (0x00)
reserved_1: 3 (0x03)
Section_length: 170 (0x00aa)
MACaddrbyte/DevicdID 6: 2 (0x02)
MACaddrbyte/DeviceID 5: 36 (0x24)
reserved_2: 3 (0x03)
payload_scrambling_control: 0 (0x00)  [= unscrambled]
address_scrambling_control: 0 (0x00)  [= unscrambled]
LLC_SNAP_flag: 0 (0x00)
current_next_indicator: 1 (0x01)  [= valid now]
Section_number: 0 (0x00)
Last_Section_number: 0 (0x00)
MACaddrbyte/DeviceID 4: 30 (0x1e)
MACaddrbyte/DeviceID 3: 10 (0x0a)
MACaddrbyte/DeviceID 2: 79 (0x4f)
MACaddrbyte/DeviceID 1: 68 (0x44) => MAC-Address/DeviceID: 44:4f:0a:1e:24:02

IP_datagram_bytes:
    Version: 4 (0x04)
    IP header length: 5 (0x05)
    Type of service: 0 (0x00)
    Total length: 157 (0x009d)
    Identification: 56104 (0xdb28)
    Reserved: 0 (0x00)
    DF: 1 (0x01)
    MF: 0 (0x00)
    Fragment offset: 0 (0x0000)
    Time to live: 54 (0x36)
    Protocol: 17 (0x11)  [= UDP]
    Header checksum: 16443 (0x403b)
    Source address: 1f9adb32 [= 31.154.219.50]
    Destination address: 0a1e2402 [= 10.30.36.2]

    UDP_datagram:
        Source port: 11941 (0x2ea5)
        Destination port: 57456 (0xe070)
        Length: 137 (0x0089)
        Checksum: 51229 (0xc81d)
        Data
              0000:  36 77 64 7c c9 df 14 43  2f 37 a3 d3 f3 d9 7f a8   6wd|...C/7......
              0010:  ae fb 58 3d 86 1f e3 53  12 7e ff 37 31 55 0d 82   ..X=...S.~.71U..
              0020:  9a 71 6a 24 46 de 6b ff  a4 f7 b8 2c bb fa a9 e6   .qj$F.k....,....
              0030:  e0 46 31 22 35 d1 71 50  43 03 63 de 62 16 1f 85   .F1"5.qPC.c.b...
              0040:  a2 5c 63 bd b0 ad ef 1c  ee 11 ab 20 9a 54 32 37   .\c........ .T27
              0050:  d5 b7 90 0a e4 f7 8d a3  fa 1a 05 77 53 65 85 f7   ...........wSe..
              0060:  4f 99 06 b0 2b 31 df 00  7b 7e 76 12 d5 2d 50 2c   O...+1..{~v..-P,
              0070:  31 32 b4 40 b1 8a 19 62  2a da 07 4e bc 78 98 05   12.@...b*..N.x..
              0080:  b7                                                 .

CRC: 1079322666 (0x4055282a)

 

[Adam792]

Thank you! Looks like just regular IP data, but was worth a look to be sure.

 

[rodscha]

Vinci Energies — wind farms, photovoltaics, energy transport, communication technology and urban management including high frequency radio, C.C.T.V., street and public lighting.

The link I mislaid last night.

https://www.vinci.com/publi/vinci/vinci-2020-universal-registration-document.pdf

yes sure ,owned by Black Rock & Qatar all the same!!
National roads may be slow,but you ll see much more of our country,and eat Better food for Less money!!
and you ll be able to listen to 107.7 ,use the motorway along boring or congested areas... best of both worlds!!

 

[Channel Hopper]

yes sure ,owned by Black Rock & Qatar all the same!!
National roads may be slow,but you ll see much more of our country,and eat Better food for Less money!!
and you ll be able to listen to 107.7 ,use the motorway along boring or congested areas... best of both worlds!!

The link was to show which section of Vinci might have the information on the roadside downlinks.

 

[Channel Hopper]

Thank you! Looks like just regular IP data, but was worth a look to be sure.

The GTMedia box locks and stores the information in the channel database.

 

[Adam792]

The GTMedia box locks and stores the information in the channel database.View attachment 145668View attachment 145669

Interesting, it seems like the DVBSky S960 USB that I’m using for testing purposes just doesn’t like it. I have a suspicion it doesn’t support the 1/4 FEC for whatever reason.

 

[EnoSat]

Maybe problem with Montage chips

same as AVL vs SI chips in e2 box on DVB-S2X/ACM-VCM transponders

The GTMedia box locks and stores the information in the channel database.

Try scan 11355V on 33E

 

[rodscha]

The link was to show which section of Vinci might have the information on the roadside downlinks.

I can send the link I use to know how s traffic at a certain time...

Info trafic autoroute en direct

Bouchon, travaux, accident : suivez l’info trafic en direct, les prévisions trafic et les travaux en cours sur toutes les autoroutes de France

www.vinci-autoroutes.com

they may answer if you mail them from that user's website
and that s the "corporate" website
https://corporate.vinci-autoroutes.com/fr

 

[Channel Hopper]

Maybe problem with Montage chips
View attachment 145687View attachment 145688
same as AVL vs SI chips in e2 box on DVB-S2X/ACM-VCM transponders
View attachment 145689View attachment 145690View attachment 145691


Try scan 11355V on 33E

Symbol rate ?

The blind scan shows a SR of 31.428 MB/s (coincidentally the same as detection at 11257MHz) but radio data could be modulated on the same frequency.

 

[EnoSat]

yes, SR-31428 (shown in the picture 145690)
scan both 2 channels ? (shown in the picture 145689)

 

[Channel Hopper]

yes, SR-31428 (shown in the picture 145690)
scan both 2 channels ? (shown in the picture 145689)

The combo knows something is there, but no data is stored.

 

[EnoSat]

oh, the same as e2 boxes with Si2166 (only boxes with AVL6261 will display the channels)

 

[SimonE]

I managed to get my HD Ranger Eco to lock to 11355V [33E]. It reckons s/r=31430 ACM-VCM continuous stream. Two modes present: mode 1=QPSK CR=1/2 PILOTS=ON and FRAME=normal. Mode2=16APSK CR=5/6 PILOTS=ON and FRAME=NORMAL.

 

[Adam792]

I had a look on here using my SDR, and found quite a lot of narrow transponders in the 12500-12600V range (Eutelsat seem to favour the bit above 12500 for these kinds of radio feeds, judging by 8°W).

My 80cm is borderline reception-wise for 33.1°E, so I didn't manage to get lock on any of them. Of course, most or all of them could be DVB-GSE/Generic stream anyway -

Symbol rates are my best rough estimate from the signal bandwidths -

12567.95 V 800
12565.5 V 4000-4200 (this one may be a normal temporary feed)
12561.57 V 350-400
12561.08 V 350-400
12558.32 V 700
12557.32 V 700
12556.32 V 700
12523.65 V 450
12522.91 V 650
12522.16 V 450
12521.41 V 650
12519.91 V 650
12518.41 V 650
12517.65 V 450
12516.92 V 650
12516.16 V 450
12515.42 V 650
12514.65 V 450
12513.92 V 700
12512.41 V 700
12510.16 V 450
12509.69 V 200
12509.00 V 650
12508.26 V 450
12507.53 V 650
12506.02 V 650
12504.52 V 650
12503.75 V 450