Setting up first time

[ozumo]

It might be better to do a factory reset and start again.

 

[a33]

There is no Port called "A" or "B". Just "Disable" and "Uncommit 1", Uncommit 2, Uncommit 3 etc...

"uncommitted 1-16" would refer to diseqc 1.1.
Are you sure you're looking at diseqc 1.0?

 

[confusedperson]

"uncommitted 1-16" would refer to diseqc 1.1.
Are you sure you're looking at diseqc 1.0?

"uncommitted 1-16" would refer to diseqc 1.1.
--I agree

I need to get a signal from ASTRA 19E which is listed under the "diseqc 1.1

so Hotbird is listed under diseqc 1.0 and ASTRA 19 on diseqc 1.1

 

[confusedperson]

It might be better to do a factory reset and start again.

Would mean loosing all the TV apps I downloaded and google account setup. I'll do that as a last resort as there appears no option to set satellite choices to its default.

 

[ozumo]

What is the brand and model number of the television?

 

[a33]

I don't quite follow what is happening.
First it was:

Good Morning.
I got a signal!

But now it seems to be:

Still cant find a satellite signal yet.

How come?


When you have no signal at all, it doesn't really matter what your (diseqc) settings are, it is just important that the Satellite Finder has power.

Where a satellite is "listed in your receiver", as you call it, influences which head of the monoblock is used.
Did you ascertain on what head you had reception, earlier? And do you remember what diseqc 1.0 setting you did use then?
Greetz,
A33

 

[confusedperson]

What is the brand and model number of the television?

I have a SMART TECH TV Model 32HA10V3.

 

[jeallen01]

Set it to DiSEqC 1.0 port A or B.

FYI @confusedperson

Having briefly scanned this thread again, I'm rather confused myself about "where we are" in trying to solve your problems, but I will try to clarify a few things that maybe are needed!

Firstly I think your understanding of what is in your TV may be incorrect because - unless it has 4 separate connectors for satellite LNB cables (which would be extremely unusual) - it does NOT itself incorporate a DiSEqC 1.0 switch but it includes circuitry that IS capable of controlling a separate external 1.0 switch by sending the correct commands.

Then, confusingly, the ports on 4-way DiSEqC switches can be marked either as Ports A, B, C & D, OR as Ports 1, 2, 3 & 4 - it doesn't actually matter as long as you realise that A=1, B=2, C=3 and D=4! - I have seen LNBs and DiSEqC switches marked both ways.

Typically, "dual LNBs" (as you called it above but somewhat incorrectly IMHO - see below) intended to pick up 2 separate sats are known as "monobloc" LNBs and incoporates what is known as a "MiniDiSEqC" 2-port switch, and the ports are marked/referred to as Port A & Port B - with Port A often (but not exclusively!) the one that is to be aimed at the sat directly "in front" of the feedarm on which it is mounted, and with Port B offset to one side or the other (depending on which secondary sat is targeted.)

The cable from such a monobloc LNB with a MiniDiSEqC switch can then go to:
- as in your case, to the TV sat input and with the receiver setting to be Port A & Port B as appropriate;
- if one also wants to connect LNBs for other sats, then you would connect the cable from the monobloc to a port on an external DiSEqC 1.0 switch, with the other ports for the other sat cables
However, from this point onwards I will defer to other forum members as to how to set up a MiniDiSEqC switch in a monobloc in that configuration because, TBH, my experience with monoblocs was itself "confusing" and "not encouraging" and so I don't use them as I felt their use to be more trouble than it was possibly worth.

BTW, with respect to the term "dual LNB", or more commonly "Twin LNB", those terms conventionally refers to an LNB assembly which actually incorporates TWO separate LNBs but pointed in exactly the same direction - typically for receiving two separate channels on the same satellite, not on two different ones!

 

[jeallen01]

Ref the port numbering issues, my post above may be relevant, and for our info: which model of TV are you using as the commands you mention are not very familar?

 

[confusedperson]

I don't quite follow what is happening.
First it was:

But now it seems to be:


How come?


When you have no signal at all, it doesn't really matter what your (diseqc) settings are, it is just important that the Satellite Finder has power.

Where a satellite is "listed in your receiver", as you call it, influences which head of the monoblock is used.
Did you ascertain on what head you had reception, earlier? And do you remember what diseqc 1.0 setting you did use then?
Greetz,
A33

Hello A33
I was trying to get the monoblock getting both lnb's connected to two satellites. I can't remember which one had the signal now.

What I did was I went into the satellite re-scan option, chose "more", then diseqc 1.0, then hotbird and chose under the lnb diseqc port option "DiSEqC A".

Then I went again back into the satellite re-scan option, chose more, then diseqc 1.1, then chose ASTRA1 19.2E, and under the lnb configuration for Port chose either "disable" or "uncommit 1". I can't remember which so currently trying both right now.

 

[ozumo]

Does this look familiar?

"Go to settings and select the channel.
Select channel installation mode.
Go to General Satellite.
Select channels and go to Satellite Re-scan.
Go to Antenna Type and select DiSEqC 1.0.
Select satellite from the list.
Go to satellite Selection and select a satellite from the list.
Select LNB Configuration from the Satellite Detail menu.
If the TV is connected directly to the satellite without a switchboard, the installation can be completed by Selecting “One.”
Go to DiSEqC port and select DiSEqC A.
Go back to the Satellite Detail menu, select scan type and select Next.
Wait a few minutes until the channel scanning is complete."

 

[jeallen01]

Now even more confused (!) so:

Should not have chosen DiSEqC 1.1 for Astra 1, but 1.0 as for Hotbird (especially given that the Hotbird and Astra 1 complexes at 13E & 19E respectively were some of the earliest ones for Europe)

Disabling a port should do exactly that, and won't work/get a signal!

Also:
1) Never heard of that brand of TV, so it may (but shouldn't) be using non-standard commands & terminology?
2) Maybe it's trying to send 1.1. commands which the OP's 1.0 switch doesn't "understand"?
3) Anyway, how-come the TV has ASTRA 1 listed under 1.1, as that would be a unsual away of doing things if it is designed to control an external 1.0 switch - sounds like maybe it may need some sort of specificbrand/model-dedicated external switch (has anyone come across anything like that???)

 

[jeallen01]

@ozumo : is not "GRUNDIG" not just a "bought & sold" brandname nowadays - so one model "Grundig" may be nothing like another??

 

[ozumo]

@ozumo : is not "GRUNDIG" not just a "bought & sold" brandname nowadays - so one model "Grundig" may be nothing like another??

Yes but I think the OP's television has Android OS like the Grundig in the video, hopefully they are similar.

It seems like after selecting DiSEqC 1.0 you then choose one of the satellites (even if it is the wrong one), then in the next menu that selected satellite can be changed to the correct one, hopefully.

 

[jeallen01]

Hello A33
I was trying to get the monoblock getting both lnb's connected to two satellites. I can't remember which one had the signal now.

What I did was I went into the satellite re-scan option, chose "more", then diseqc 1.0, then hotbird and chose under the lnb diseqc port option "DiSEqC A".

Then I went again back into the satellite re-scan option, chose more, then diseqc 1.1, then chose ASTRA1 19.2E, and under the lnb configuration for Port chose either "disable" or "uncommit 1". I can't remember which so currently trying both right now.

Also, you may not have realised that Astra 1 and Hotbird will appear to be at different heights in your sky, so that you actually have to very slightly twist the monobloc in the dish LNB holder in order to receive both at the same time - that's called the "skew" - and so, whilst looking at the dishface from the LNB position, you have to twist it so that the one for 19E is slightly higher than the one for 13E because of the "mirror effect" of the dish as the 19E position is the lower one in the sky.
(NB, we've all been "caught" by that issue at one time or another.)

 

[confusedperson]

Thanks for the detailed post there jeallen01. Yes, I understood the diseqc switch is built into the monobloc. I did not use the word monobloc which I will do now. This monobloc has just one output.

I still can't get a signal. If I disconnect the cable from the monobloc to the sat finder meter the sat finder meter is still buzzing away and the light is on. Should that be the case?

I understand from these posts I just need to configure the hotbird lnb to port A only? (which I have done) . Does that mean that that is all is required to be done and that once one of the head's get a signal the other head hopefully would pickup astra1 19.2 as it's just six degrees difference? (I don't need to configure the lnb option for astra1 19.2?)

 

[jeallen01]

Yes but I think the OP's television has Android OS like the Grundig in the video, hopefully they are similar.

It seems like after selecting DiSEqC 1.0 you then choose one of the satellites (even if it is the wrong one), then in the next menu that selected satellite can be changed to the correct one, hopefully.

"Interesting" and could explain the terminology issues - and "Yes, hopefully" to the 2nd sentence!

 

[jeallen01]

...I understand from these posts I just need to configure the hotbird lnb to port A only? (which I have done) . Does that mean that that is all is required to be done and that once one of the head's get a signal the other head hopefully would pickup astra1 19.2 as it's just six degrees difference? (I don't need to configure the lnb option for astra1 19.2?)

But see post #35!!

And I had a real problem with a monobloc on a 70cm TRIAX dish in trying to get both 13E & 19E as the skew adjustment seemed to be very critical. That's why I finally replaced the monobloc with a basic LNB for Astra 1, and then set up a 30yr old 45cm Sky dish and simple LNB for Hotbird - and that took far less time and effort than I had already wasted in trying to set the monobloc up for both!

 

[confusedperson]

Ah! Thanks Jeallen01. I did not know about the skew. I can see from the sat finder phone app that Hotbird is higher in the sky that astra1. My outer head is well higher than the inner one.

 

[ozumo]

It may be better to use a single LNB to align the dish on one of the preferred satellites and then faff on with the monoblock later, which may be a lost cause on a 1.2m dish anyway.