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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Topper" data-source="post: 1089481" data-attributes="member: 186250">Brand new or not it is a simple fact that encryption security measures, to combat illegal viewing of satellite transmissions via key insertion and card sharing systems, has been beefed up considerably and is therefore not really of much interest to many people these days apart from people interested in the old processes, it is also something we do not condone. The offloading of obsolete brand new equipment of any description to people buying from Ebay is not uncommon these days. When I was a lad we used to call it being fleeced, my dad used to call the purveyors of such things wide boys, I am not really sure of the terminology of today.</blockquote>