Trouble getting Tivùsat working alongside Kabelio on an Edision receiver

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Maybe the above is wishful thinking. I guess I'm willing to go to some lengths to just solve this, returning the other two receivers if necessary. My priorities for a receiver are:

- 1 Local TV antenna input
- 1 Satellite coax input
- 1 HDMI slot
- 1 USB-A slot
- A way to get Tivùsat card working (with or without CI)
- A CI slot to plug in the Kabelio CAM
- Ideally bellow 150 GBP (but flexible)
- Ideally smaller rather than larger (but flexible)

No other features really matter to me (e.g. 4K, HD etc.). If anybody happens to be aware of a receiver that fits the bill, I would be grateful.

PS/ The Technisat DIGIT HD8+ offered on German Amazon was second-hand, I believe. There were some negative reviews about knackered receivers arriving. The Zgemma was new, on the other hand. This is why it was more attractive to me. But I obviously messed up, since I can't plug in a local TV antenna. Nonetheless, I guess I might go for the Technisat if I can figure out if I could plug in local TV as well.
 
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Does your Tivu CAM have CI+ logo on it?
 

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Does your Tivu CAM have CI+ logo on it?
Yes, on the back below the serial number and other info. It's the one that comes up on Google Images saying "Yes We Cam", with black and green theme.
 

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.... But I obviously messed up, since I can't plug in a local TV antenna. Nonetheless, I guess I might go for the Technisat if I can figure out if I could plug in local TV as well.
Here's a thought, and it assumes that your tv has a spare HDMI input (although you could add a cheap HDMI-input switch if it doesn't):
- plug the satellite box into one HDMI i/p on the tv
- get a simple terrestrial digital tv box and plug the tv aerial into that, with the HDMI o/p then going to another of the tv's HDMI i/p's

Swop between the 2 sources by changing to the relevant HDMI i/p on the tv.

PS: that's basically what I do in our "office" to use one of the monitors with a single HDMI i/p for a PC, the SX88 and/or any other source (other sat Rx, temporary connection of a laptop, etc) using the 5 i/p version of an autoswitching HDMI switch like this one

PPS: and, of course, using a multiway HDMI switch would mean that you can connect in "even more" sources, such as a 2nd sat Rx, to the tv.
 
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Here's a thought, and it assumes that your tv has a spare HDMI input (although you could add an HDMI-input switch if it does'nt):
- plug the satellite box into one HDMI i/p on the tv
- get a simple terrestrial digital tv box and plug the tv into that, with the HDMI o/p going to another of the tv's HDMI i/p's

Swop between the 2 sources by changing to the relevant HDMI i/p on the tv.
Thank-you. I use a projector with a single HDMi input. However, I already have a HDMI splitter I use to swap between the receiver and a Nintendo Switch. Space is sort of tight, so I would like to avoid another HDMI switcher, since the ones I have seen with more than 2 inputs require a plug socket. Also, I know it's probably pernickety but what I really liked about the TV (while I had it working, it's all messed up since updating, and I'm waiting to figure out the right receiver rather than fixing what I have now) is having it all set up streamlined and simple the way I like it, switching between whichever channels depending on what I feel like.

I might have to do just what you say but, if a suitable receiver exists I'd rather go for that.
 

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Thank-you. I use a projector with a single HDMi input. However, I already have a HDMI splitter I use to swap between the receiver and a Nintendo Switch. Space is sort of tight, so I would like to avoid another HDMI switcher, since the ones I have seen with more than 2 inputs require a plug socket. ....
You can power an HMDI switcher, which requires 5Vdc, directly from any spare USB port using a cheap USB-5V cable - easily cheaply available from ebay etc. - or even a 2-way USB splitter, to avoid needing another mains adapter and plug socket, as those switches need very little current.
 

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Another point would be whether it's possible to put the Tivùsat card inside the Kabelio CAM on the Edision? Maybe I'm saying something silly here but there is in fact a sort of empty gap in the Kabelio cam. When I have tried inserting it, I haven't gotten it to work. But perhaps there is an easier way around it with firmware or something?

That won’t work unfortunately. As far as I understand it, the encryption system used by Kabelio is cardless, the CI Module/CAM is what gets authorised to decode the service. CI modules have a card slot in them though so I’m guessing that it’s just because it’s a “standard” manufactured product. The card slot will just be non-functional (either by hardware or the software in the CAM). In any case the encryption system is different to the one used by Tivùsat, and these official modules only work for the system they’re made for.

Not sure if the Zgemma you’ve got may work with a USB DVB-T2 (for the antenna connection) tuner? That might be a quick fix! What’s the exact model of the receiver?
 

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That won’t work unfortunately. As far as I understand it, the encryption system used by Kabelio is cardless, the CI Module/CAM is what gets authorised to decode the service. CI modules have a card slot in them though so I’m guessing that it’s just because it’s a “standard” manufactured product. The card slot will just be non-functional (either by hardware or the software in the CAM). In any case the encryption system is different to the one used by Tivùsat, and these official modules only work for the system they’re made for.

Not sure if the Zgemma you’ve got may work with a USB DVB-T2 (for the antenna connection) tuner? That might be a quick fix! What’s the exact model of the receiver?
Thank-you, I didn't know a USB tuner was an option! I am not sure if an indoor antenna would work (I was plugging it into an outlet in the wall for my building before), but if it does that would be ideal.

It's a "Zgemma H9 Twin tuner Enigma 2 Linux Smart Box".
 

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The Zgemma has a second coax satellite input I don't use. I have now encountered cheap cables I wasn't aware of on Google and Amazon which seem to be coax to DVB-T2. Does that sound right? If it's possible to just use another cable that would be great; problem solved. I'm just not sure if this is the intended use and if it would technically work in terms of the setup process on the Zgemma.
 

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Yes, on the back below the serial number and other info. It's the one that comes up on Google Images saying "Yes We Cam", with black and green theme.
I wonder if the card is paired to the CAM? Might explain why it doesn't work in the card slot.
 

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I wonder if the card is paired to the CAM? Might explain why it doesn't work in the card slot.
Ah, do you think a Tivùsat card sold without a CAM might work? I think I am within my return period so I could return the card with cam and order a card only.
 

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Ah, do you think a Tivùsat card sold without a CAM might work? I think I am within my return period so I could return the card with cam and order a card only.
Possibly but I can't say for certain. You would have to confirm with the seller first.
 

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The Zgemma has a second coax satellite input I don't use. I have now encountered cheap cables I wasn't aware of on Google and Amazon which seem to be coax to DVB-T2. Does that sound right? If it's possible to just use another cable that would be great; problem solved. I'm just not sure if this is the intended use and if it would technically work in terms of the setup process on the Zgemma.

That won’t work as the second tuner is DVB-S2 not DVB-T/T2 - it can only receive signals coming from a satellite dish. Cables sold like that are a gimmick - the cable is the same cable for both types of signals (coaxial cable), it’s just the connectors that are usually different - screw on F plugs used for satellite and the push in coax plugs for terrestrial.

Thank-you, I didn't know a USB tuner was an option! I am not sure if an indoor antenna would work (I was plugging it into an outlet in the wall for my building before), but if it does that would be ideal.

It's a "Zgemma H9 Twin tuner Enigma 2 Linux Smart Box".

Most USB tuners have an aerial socket in them so you can just connect a cable from your wall socket to the USB tuner as you would a normal box/TV - no indoor antenna needed!

Out of interest what kind of terrestrial signals are you receiving? Are they standard DVB-T ones (e.g TNT from France, standard definition UK Freeview), or newer DVB-T2 ones? (e.g German ARD/ZDF DVB-T2HD, Dutch NPO1-3, UK Freeview HD)

Enigma2 receivers are certainly compatible with some DVB-T and DVB-T2 USB tuners so that sounds as if it may be an option for you with this receiver.
 

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Plus, just to check - presumably with the ZGemma you now are able to view both Kabelio and Tivùsat with the respective CI modules in each slot of the receiver? So that problem should be solved.

It’s just that you’d like to be able to also receive terrestrial signals via the same receiver?
 

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That won’t work as the second tuner is DVB-S2 not DVB-T/T2 - it can only receive signals coming from a satellite dish. Cables sold like that are a gimmick - the cable is the same cable for both types of signals (coaxial cable), it’s just the connectors that are usually different - screw on F plugs used for satellite and the push in coax plugs for terrestrial.



Most USB tuners have an aerial socket in them so you can just connect a cable from your wall socket to the USB tuner as you would a normal box/TV - no indoor antenna needed!

Out of interest what kind of terrestrial signals are you receiving? Are they standard DVB-T ones (e.g TNT from France, standard definition UK Freeview), or newer DVB-T2 ones? (e.g German ARD/ZDF DVB-T2HD, Dutch NPO1-3, UK Freeview HD)

Enigma2 receivers are certainly compatible with some DVB-T and DVB-T2 USB tuners so that sounds as if it may be an option for you with this receiver.
Thanks for warning me off those dodgy cables.

If I find a USB tuner with an appropriately long cable to reach the wall outlet (1.5 or 2m should do it fine), I will attempt that solution for sure.

My partner lives in Brussels, which is where I'm setting all of this up. So it's local Belgian TV. The Flemish seem quite proprietary with their TV, so all we get is French stuff.
 

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Plus, just to check - presumably with the ZGemma you now are able to view both Kabelio and Tivùsat with the respective CI modules in each slot of the receiver? So that problem should be solved.

It’s just that you’d like to be able to also receive terrestrial signals via the same receiver?
I haven't managed to fully set up the Zgemma yet. But I am currently working on the assumption that both CI slots will work fine, since I could get both Kabelio and the Tivùsat with CAM to work independently on the Edision. If I am correct that the CI slots will work fine, then the only issue is terrestrial TV, yes
 

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OK great, the USB tuners probably won’t come with the cable - you’ll need a fly lead to connect from the wall socket to the USB tuner in the same way as you would to plug into a TV.

RTBF is currently DVB-T but is apparently moving to DVB-T2 later this year (still free to air though, unlike the Flemish channels which are all paid!).

You’ll need a DVB-T2 USB tuner that’s compatible with the Enigma2 software on the box. I’m not sure which ones are, I believe the very cheap XBox One tuners (which are around 10€) may now be compatible though. The Pinnacle PCTV 292e should also be compatible. Not sure if anyone else has more experience, but you should definitely be able to find something.

I have an old PCTV 290e that I will try in one of my Enigma2 receivers to see if I can prove this all works in theory! I’ll let you know.
 

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Can't remember if this Rx has been mentioned but it has 2 sat tuners and a spare slot for a C/T/T2 tuner + 2x card slots & CI (not CI+), slot
 

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Can't remember if this Rx has been mentioned but it has 2 sat tuners and a spare slot for a C/T/T2 tuner + 2x card slots & CI (not CI+), slot
Thank-you. As it does not have a terrestrial TV aerial input, it seems to be about the same for my purposes as the ZGemma I currently have (unless I am missing something). I have looked it up, but might not have grasped the difference fully: Is there any disadvantage of CI as opposed to CI+ other than parental block features?
 

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A CI+ CAM won't work in a CI slot.
 
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