Newbie Here Upgrading Dish System

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You can email Laminas directly in Poland. That's how I got my 1.8m. Hm sat de also deliver
 
The Rascals

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Hi All
Thanks for the great help as always, these are the prices from Laminas Poland to Cork
OFC1200 dish................120 €
OFZ1200 az-el.................29 €
Shipping 1 - 2 items.........90 €
AS1500 dish....................242 €
ASZ1500 az-el...................94 €
Shipping 1 - 2 items.........140 €
Prices netto, no VAT included. You must have euro VAT nr, VIES registered.
Otherwise I must to charge you 23% Polish VAT.
Hope this gives other people and idea of cost.
Would anybody have owners manual for TM2600
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Good Night all
In one of my previous inputs
"My new motor (TM-2600 M2)will only move between 30W and 45E"
Has anybody had this problem with this motor, my previous STAB was slow but it survived many years,
and I was able to cover 58W to 53E using the same receiver.
Any ideas or help would be appreciated.
I have Superjack DG2100+ motor still in a box so changing this for the Technomate 2600 and see what happens

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Good Night all
In one of my previous inputs
"My new motor (TM-2600 M2)will only move between 30W and 45E"
Has anybody had this problem with this motor, my previous STAB was slow but it survived many years,
and I was able to cover 58W to 53E using the same receiver.
Any ideas or help would be appreciated.
I have Superjack DG2100+ motor still in a box so changing this for the Technomate 2600 and see what happens

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The Rascals
This should help.
Limit issue technomate tm 2600 sat motor
 
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Thanks blademedia
Have to take everything down to check limits or maybe press the reset pin first and see what happens.

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Good Morning All

I did the reset pin still the same narrow arc.
Checked the limits settings they are correct.
Getting a lone receiver tomorrow just in case my Clarke Tech does not like the Technomate motor.
I had seven years or more with a Stab HH100 and covered an arc of 58W to 53E with both a
Technomate and Clarke Tech receiver and never a problem with a heavy steel 1M dish.
Yes my next motor will be a Stab HH120 (I know they are not as fast as others, but they work)
when I am upgrading to a Laminas 1.2m or I might push it to a 1.5M as they are so light.
Thanks to all for your input

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Technomate motor was the problem, and already rusting after a month or so
what a load of crap this motor is/was, put up the Superjack DG2100+ for the
moment and two months later all working well, even though it feels flimsy.
I am finally getting around to this new dish issue and I am going to go for
Laminas 1.5m and Stab 120 motor.
The Laminas 1.5M with AZ-EL mount weighs 18Kgs my current 1M steel dish
weighs 20Kgs, so if my last Stab120 could last approx 10 years with 20kgs
it should be ok with 18Kgs, the max recommended weight by Stab for
this motor is 17Kgs.
Am I pushing science or is it reality to the limits
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It's not the weight that's the problem. It's the wind load generated by such a large sail that's the problem. Don't do it.
 
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You don't want to be putting a 1.5 on a stab.

+1,

Do not put a 1.5m dish on this type of motor, these motors are for small dish men, big dish men use 36 volts, not DiSEeqC.

If you are upgrading to a 1.5m dish then I have listed below the options that I think are available to you.

1. Look out for a second hand Jaeger 1224 H to H motor, they can manage a 1.5m dish OK. You may need to make some type of adapter plate.
2. If it is within your budget you could check if Laminas do a polar mount for their 1.5m dish and get one of those.
3. Look for a second hand polar mount on eBay and adapt it to fit the Laminas 1.5m dish.
4. Fabricate a polar mount from steel box section and steel plate using LDK two bolt flange bearings from bearing boys as the pivot.


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Thanks to everybody above for your help and info.
What improvement would I see by just upgrading to a
Laminas 1.2m dish compared to my 10 year old Joe Blogs dish

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Thanks to everybody above for your help and info.
What improvement would I see by just upgrading to a
Laminas 1.2m dish compared to my 10 year old Joe Blogs dish

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Unless your old dish is clearly damaged or out-of-shape, chances are that it still does the job quite well.
Main difference will be in the active area of the reflector, where the 1.2 is 44% larger than the 1.0.
And that will give you a major boost-up in reception.
Also, the "1m" label on many dishes e.g. from Triax is not true diameter of the reflective area, it's more an approximation.
(A bit like the HDD manufacturers insisting that 1GB = 1.000.000.000 Bytes rather than 1.024 x 1.024 x 1.024, which memory is measured in.)
 
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What improvement would I see by just upgrading to a Laminas 1.2m dish compared to my 10 year old Joe Blogs dish
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Rascals,

Your Joe Soap dish has a surface area of approximately 0.78 sq metres
A 1.2m dish has a surface area of approximately 1.13 sq metres
By changing to a 1.2m dish you are increasing the surface area by approximately 44%, that will give you a decent improvement from your Joe Soap 1.0m dish.

However, I personally think that you are still taking a risk putting a 1.2 metre dish on one of those Stab motors. It might be OK, but if you are in a windy exposed location I think it will strip the cogs or whatever gubbins are inside that type of motor.

If you have plans to get a dish of 1.2m or 1.5m or greater, my personal recommendation would be to use a 36 volt motor such as a linear actuator with a polar mount or a H - H motor.


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Thanks for all the info folks
If I went 36V route what would I need to drive the dish with an arc 60W to 57 E I am at 8W
and is this much more difficult to setup than my STAB 120 motor.

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Thanks for all the info folks
If I went 36V route what would I need to drive the dish with an arc 60W to 57 E I am at 8W
and is this much more difficult to setup than my STAB 120 motor.

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Hi Rascals, you would need something like this connected to a actuator for moving the dish MOTECK V-BOX II (DiSEqC 1.2 to 36v Positioner Convertor)

The set up is basically the same but you have to use DiSEqC 1.2 commands not USALS to control the dish, you move the dish and store positions manually, the dish wont go from A to B by itself,

If you go into your receiver setting you will see DISEqC 1.2 setting, plenty of people here will help if you get stuck.
 
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Thanks blademedia
I am ok with what you describe above, its the actuator bit is where I have no experience with.
To cover the arc I mentioned above what size and make of actuator is required,
and how is this mounted on the dish and mast, and what cables are required.
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Thanks blademedia
I am ok with what you describe above, its the actuator bit is where I have no experience with.
To cover the arc I mentioned above what size and make of actuator is required,
and how is this mounted on the dish and mast, and what cables are required.
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The Rascals
Hi Rascals, I would buy a 24 inch actuator for your arc, as for what one will depend on your budget they range from £70 ish to £500+ You would need a four core cable
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CA1F4B.html?ad_position=1o2&source=adwords&ad_id=45425533757&placement=&kw=&network=g&matchtype=&ad_type=pla&product_id=CA1F4B&product_partition_id=174053339347&test=finalurl_v2&gclid=CKqg1KGl89QCFc8YGwodTeYBsg

The connection to the polar mount is straight forward watch this video it will give you a idea of how the system works,

Any more questions shout up.
 
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Thanks for all the info folks
If I went 36V route what would I need to drive the dish with an arc 60W to 57 E I am at 8W
and is this much more difficult to setup than my STAB 120 motor.

Regards

The Rascals

Rascals,

Both the Moteck H180 and the Jaeger 1224 are 36 volt H to H motors. You can buy the Moteck H180 brand new but the Jaeger 1224 is no longer manufactured so you would need to look for a second hand model. The Jaeger 1224 motors do pop up in brand new condition but only very rarely and they are snapped up for good money immediately, they are much sought after in brand new condition if you are lucky enough to find one.

Of the two motors, the Jaeger 1224 is the best and it is easy to mount a 1.2m or a 1.5m dish onto it. There is no actuator invloved and it will cover the East/West arc you require and more. You would still need a v-box to activate the motor. Have a look on Gumtree and eBay for a Jaeger 1224 H to H motor, you might be lucky?

Alternatively, your other option is the polar mount and linerar actuator as described by "blademedia" above.

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+1 for the Jaegar 1224 motor. It's the best match for the 1.2m dish and should drive a 1.5m dish with ease (I used one with a 1.5m Gibby - see here). Good luck finding one though...

Technically the Moteck H180 is a similar motor but it has several manufacturing defects and reliability issues so I cannot recommend one...
 
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