Using a echostar ad-3000ip viaccess with a smw q-pll quad lnb type r

[scopus]

The two obvious units that are capable of all motorisation aspects needed are the Titanium ASC1 and the Research Concepts RC2000. The cleanest solution I can think of is to use a Titanium ASC1 for dish motorisation control including skew and the Technomate for scanning/viewing channels.

The Titanium ASC1 is also DiSeqC capable allowing channel selection on the Technomate to automatically move the dish to the correct satellite.

Agree MB. When I had my corotor on the 1.8 with an SMW dual band Ku LNB which had a low and high output and a 9750 and 10600 LOF used in conjunction with a 22KHz switch and the ASC1, the receiver was just set to a Universal setting for Ku it worked perfectly on all bands no problem. The ASC was very versatile in changing the polarity when it detected the relevant voltage from the receiver.
Another solution, ditch the corotor for a bulleye feed with a plate added for C Band using two C band LNBs and an Invacom C120 LNB with the 'Frankenstien' mod done for Ku, no servo motor then needed.
The Echostar could be used as the dish mover and nothing else, and the TM for the reception receiver.

 

[subman]

Morning Guys many thanks to all of you for your thoughts , Regarding the Technomate I think the first thing to test is seeing if its going to work with this SMW Type R LNB .I know that Scopus used dual feed SMW and seem to be ok . So before I start reading the manual of the Technomate what LNB menu has it got or is it just plug in and do a full TP scan ?

Regarding how to move the dish + Skew , I am sure I did read in one of the forums that you cant use Research Concepts controller because it was not compatible with the corotor other wise I would have bought that single channel one from ireland that was on sale on ebay . I will have a search on the forums and show you what I mean .Should this be the case its going to be a ASC1 or the Echostar .

After all the fun and games with the corotor and this SMW Lnb I dont realy want to spend more on a Bulleye feed as next problem is going to be feed clamps both my original and Rimants new clamp wont fit not to mention the cost So I wonder if the Scalar ring on the Bullseye is the same size as the corotor .

All ok on the V Box Jeallen01 yes I have heard about these but from looking at the reviews it sounds a bit hit and miss unless they have sorted it out by now . Like you say its got history of them failing prematurely . Which leaves us with ASC1 or the Echostar .

So MB you might be right Titanium ASC1 + Technomate to automatically move the dish to the correct satellite I plus I understand you can get a remote for the ASC1 so you dont have to leave your chair .

So I will connect up the Technomate and see what we get with a blind scan I would think some thing like what I am seeing on the Satllink meter .

Once we know the Technomate is receiving then I think we can move onto moving the dish and skew .

Many Thanks for the input .

 

[ozumo]

You may as well just leave the LNB settings alone on the Technomate, it'll most likely be set up as a universal LNB. A blind scan will find everything on the polarity the Echostar is set to, but the frequencies shown will mostly be wrong. Only use blind scan.

 

[subman]

Understood Ozumo do a blind scan without changing any Lnb settings , I have a Question ! if the Echostar is set for HOZ then the Technomate will only show H signals , Where as the Echostar will change from H to V as you change channel , So if you do a blind scan wont you only find H signals on the Technomate since the chaparral corotor is a mechanical polarizer . So would you need to do 2 blind scans one in Vert + the other H ? or will the Technomate show every thing on one scan ?

 

[ozumo]

Correct, the Technomate will only scan one polarisation at a time, it cannot move the polariser. So do one blind scan, then change the polarotor angle on the Echostar and blind scan again.

 

[subman]

Correct, the Technomate will only scan one polarisation at a time, it cannot move the polariser. So do one blind scan, then change the polarotor angle on the Echostar and blind scan again.

Understood yes I thought I was right ,

 

[moonbase]

... Regarding the Technomate I think the first thing to test is seeing if its going to work with this SMW Type R LNB .I know that Scopus used dual feed SMW and seem to be ok .

The dual output SMW LNB that "scopus" was using had one output for low band, one output for high band and two L.O's. It was a simple matter to use the Technomate to switch the SMW LNB between high and low band. The Technomate default Universal LNB setting contains two L.O.s of 9.75 / 10.60 GHz making it easy to control the SMW LNB via a switch.

 

[Channel Hopper]

The dual output SMW LNB that "scopus" was using had one output for low band, one output for high band and two L.O's. It was a simple matter to use the Technomate to switch the SMW LNB between high and low band. The Technomate default Universal LNB setting contains two L.O.s of 9.75 / 10.60 GHz making it easy to control the SMW LNB via a switch.

Use of a twin probe LNB on the WR75 port of the co-rotor avoids the need to spin the co-rotor to capture both H and V on a blind scan.

How does one get more than one polarity on a fixed WR75 port ?

 

[moonbase]

How does one get more than one polarity on a fixed WR75 port ?

Good point .

Put the dish on 36E for some circular polarity, that might give both H/V without a plate inline? The dish is possibly big enough to gather enough signal to overcome the lack of a plate?

 

[subman]

Sounds like we are opening up a very large can of worms !

Much better having just a receiver that does the whole thing , I will check out some of the companys in Singapore or the Middle East see if they do a receiver that does Mpeg 2 + 4 with Dish + Skew control .

Ok on the switch 22k switch MB

Ok will let you know how we get on does any one have a up todate list of TP on Astra 4A ( Sirius 4 ) so I can mark them off when I have done the scan that way I can see what I am missing .

 

[moonbase]

Ok will let you know how we get on does any one have a up todate list of TP on Astra 4A ( Sirius 4 ) so I can mark them off when I have done the scan that way I can see what I am missing .

Forum member "William-1" regularly publishes a Satellite/TP/Channel list for the TM-5402. It will be on the forum somewhere.

 

[ozumo]

The frequencies & polarisations you find on a blind scan won't match any published list for most transponders due to the LNB. For the channels you should find try flysat:

https://www.flysat.com/astra4a-ses5.php

 

[scopus]

How does one get more than one polarity on a fixed WR75 port ?

I did it using the ASC1. It has to be wired between the dish and LNB using the F connectors at the back. Depending on what was needed either V or H, the ASC recognizes the V or H voltage and adjust the probe accordingly. You can also fix the voltage to the LNB at 18V. Clever bit of kit....
I was able to blind scan the whole of low and high band, V and H using blindscan.

 

[subman]

Ok Scopus on the way you got your LNB to work with ASC1 , Dish +LNB . Once I sort out the SMW Lnb I will move onto the part which is dish and skew

Regarding the list ozumo the list I was useing before was the LyngSat list on Astra 4A Version 29.03.2020 so its not to bad just 4 months out of date I hate to think what firmware was installed in the Echostar its about 30 years out of date .

Regarding the William-1" Satellite/TP/Channel list for the TM-5402. " Yes its a on few sat forums but I think he only uses a 1.2m dish so I will try a blind scan first in both V + H and if it seems to work with this LNB I will down load the William-1 list and see from there MB because if the lnb dont work with the SMW lnb there is no point in upgraded the firmware the only firmware I want to install is the upgrade for the sat meter since that is 2014 .

 

[Channel Hopper]

I did it using the ASC1. It has to be wired between the dish and LNB using the F connectors at the back. Depending on what was needed either V or H, the ASC recognizes the V or H voltage and adjust the probe accordingly. You can also fix the voltage to the LNB at 18V. Clever bit of kit....
I was able to blind scan the whole of low and high band, V and H using blindscan.

Thanks, probe is activated by the positioner, similar to many integrated receivers of old.

 

[scopus]

Thanks, probe is activated by the positioner, similar to many integrated receivers of old.

Yes indeed it does.

 

[dreambox1959]

Yes indeed it does.

all these problems with mechanical polarizer and new receiver gave me the need of an personnal positioner (like an asc1 but for two actuator)
if you have (subman) some times and passion , you can build my positionner !!!
but it s also exist some simple design with pic16 microprocessor to detect 14/18v (H/V) on lnb ouput to activate pulse generator for mechanical unit

 

[subman]

Many thanks Dreambox1959 for your drawings as a radio ham for the past 40+ years I would make many items but not these days I do small solding jobs on connectors but as for building things I stopped making things years ago .

But will let the guys know how I get on with the blind search and take it from there once the LNB + Receiver are sorted then its down to the Dish + Skew control .

 

[Satfaca]

all these problems with mechanical polarizer and new receiver gave me the need of an personnal positioner (like an asc1 but for two actuator)
if you have (subman) some times and passion , you can build my positionner !!!
but it s also exist some simple design with pic16 microprocessor to detect 14/18v (H/V) on lnb ouput to activate pulse generator for mechanical unit

Is this yours then?

Ante also did it nicely. With such polarotor controller Subman could keep using the Echostar exclusively as a dish mover, the rest would be done by Technomate and such "Deluxe servo controller"...

 

[subman]

That looks like bread board PCB not seen one of those for a very long time but if it works what the hell but the wife might have some thing to say in the lounge . Yes you might be right just use the Echostar for Dish + Corotor .