VU+ headaches

[malcom123]

Hi. Got myself a new VU+duo..Also me thinks got myself one big headache.

Auto scan doesn't work....get software error while trying to set up parimeters

Thankfully manual scan does.

That's not what I am posting about for the mo..

Firstly....

My question is about moving channel positions in the favourites menu.

I select the favourites menu and then press menu as per manual instruction and up pops a menu with the option to

"enable move mode"

When done channels can't be changed.......But how then do you move a channel to a new number location........I moved a channel accidentally once but have no idea how i did it........

Secondly. Is it possible to delete unwanted channels from the total list......Channels that might have encrypted for example.........Can't find anything in the manual about such an option

 

[Huevos]

Auto scan works fine. Have you got an up to date satellites.xml file?

Easiest way is to get a copy of Dreambox edit and edit your channel line up and bouquets on there. Channel numbers run sequentially. The first channel in the first bouquet is channel #1.

P.S. it takes a little while and a bit of frustration to start to understand the Vu+ Duo (or any Linux receiver for that matter) but once you do you will find the box can do almost anything.

 

[malcom123]

With regard to auto scan I repeatly get a sorry message software fault have to close down after a 4 choice message that the exit button will not remove. On one occasion the reciever froze and had to switch off at ther rear and re-boot. ......Load of technical detail on screen for a few seconds......It happens while putting in the parameters for the tuner....

Manual scan OK........

Do you have any thought on the moving a channel in the favourites list......

 

[malcom123]

Auto scan works fine. Have you got an up to date satellites.xml file?

I have no idea what that is!!!!!!

 

[Huevos]

Ok, first thing have you got the Vu+ connected to your home network?

Also what are you doing in the tuner setup that is crashing the box? What is your dish setup? Motorised with USALS? Single or twin LNB? How is it wired?

 

[malcom123]

Thank's. No its not connected to home network. That's a path I won't be going down.......The set up is a motorised system with seperate positioner. In the "simple" set up I selected "positioner". The positioner was recalibrated at the weekend by an installer seems ok. Downloading hotbird as I type now......I have to say pic quality much better than my broken Samsung reciever of ten years ago..

Since speaking to you I tried auto scan again and it crashed and the VU+ went in loading enigma 2 mode and just stuck there... with an icon of a sat dish flashing........Eventually I gave up waiting for it to go to channel select and woke it up by selecting channel.........Seems ok now I have powered off and back on again......

Not going near auto again too much trouble........I am scanning ok with the manual option...... As long as I get the channels I don't mind if I use auto or manual.........Manual was a piece of cake anyway.......


Can you say without resorting to internet and connections is simple channel move editing in the favourites possible.......say i want to move channel 56 to 1 first position on the list........Also without internet can the downloaded channels be edited by that i mean deleted if there is a channel I no longer need on the list......

 

[Huevos]

No its not connected to home network. That's a path I won't be going down.......

Why did you get a Vu?

The set up is a motorised system with seperate positioner. In the "simple" set up I selected "positioner".

What a V-box? If so you need the advanced tuner setup and you need to go through all the satellites individually and load in your DiSEqC 1.2 position numbers.

I tried auto scan again and it crashed and the VU+ went in loading enigma 2 mode and just stuck there... with an icon of a sat dish flashing........Eventually I gave up waiting for it to go to channel select and woke it up by selecting channel.........Seems ok now I have powered off and back on again......

A few crashes are inevitable during the setup procedure but once the box is configured it is pretty stable especially if you use a decent image like VIX 1.3.

Can you say without resorting to internet and connections is simple channel move editing in the favourites possible.......say i want to move channel 56 to 1 first position on the list........Also without internet can the downloaded channels be edited by that i mean deleted if there is a channel I no longer need on the list......

You don't need internet to edit your channels list. The easiest way to do it is via the ethernet socket using Dreambox edit to FTP a channel list to the box. What your editing options are without using a PC is down to the image, and as I have not ever used the default image I can't advise you on that. What I would say though is it will take you days to edit channel lists to any sort of sensible format using the remote control compared to just a few minutes using drag'n'drop in Dreamboxedit. To me not using DBedit (and not connecting to the home network) is a bit like buying a brand new car with the latest technology and when you want it to go down the street you get out and push it instead of using the engine.

 

[malcom123]

My old reciever clapped out over the weekend.......A satellite reciever for me is about watching satellite and not messing around with comuters.......I got the VU+ because I could see no other that appealed to me in HD and PVR range

Not sure what you mean by a V box ??? If you mean voltage converter. No. A seperate positioner also old (Pace) and remote control. The VU+ is not driving the dish and I chose the settings accordingly.

I am not having trouble getting channels if my settings were wrong surely the more advanced manual method where you have to make decisions would give me trouble.Thus far it has not........Even though I set up for 19deg when I tried to use auto the very first time all it would do is lock on to arabsat.........

Trying to make auto run on the 19deg settings crashes the reciever. In fact I dont get as far as the scan itself........After I have selected the tuner settings a menu with 4 options appears. Asking for yes or no or yes to all or no to all......As I could not understand which option to select I tried using the "exit button" to go back to the previous page. However the exit button did not do that for me it just locked the reciever.........After about 15 seconds the reciever takes over with a sorry message and returns to loadin enigma 2

I have just cracked the puzzle of how to move the numbers......I am a retired person and don't mind taking time doing things the manual way. I just need to understand what the manual ways are..........Computer tinkering is not my world.

 

[malcom123]

The easiest way to do it is via the ethernet socket using Dreambox edit to FTP a channel list to the box

I don't have a lap top. A desk top that is the opposite end of the room.......The problem is computer jargon I don't know about. Don't know what dream box edit is.......Don't know what FTP a channel list means......I am just not a computer person.........

 

[Huevos]

Well if the receiver is not controlling the dish it is impossible to do an auto scan, because once it has finish scanning one satellite it it can't move the dish, so it just keeps rescanning the same orbital position over and over again.

A V-box is a that reads DiSEqC commands from the coax cable (or V-box remote) and moves the 36 volt dish motor accordingly.

I've had a look at my VU and I can't see any way to edit the channel lists without using the ethernet connection or loading an image that contains the channel lists via a USB flash memory.

 

[Huevos]

I don't have a lap top. A desk top that is the opposite end of the room.......The problem is computer jargon I don't know about. Don't know what dream box edit is.......Don't know what FTP a channel list means......I am just not a computer person.........

DBedit is a piece of free software, used to edit channel lists.

It doesn't matter where the PC is, you just plug the Vu into your home network (preferably via a CAT5/6 cable) and access it remotely from your PC whatever part of the house it is located in.

 

[Analoguesat]

Dont worry mate. You dont need to know much about computers to get a linux box to work. The basic functions are pretty much like any other receiver - ftp'ing and the like are more advanced and you dont have to use them on most receivers, although they make life easier if you can master it.

Just dont let the box get to you - it will take time to master it but most folk get there eventually.

 

[Huevos]

ftp'ing and the like are more advanced and you dont have to use them on most receivers, although they make life easier if you can master it.

AS, I don't know how it is on the earlier boxs like the DM7020, but on the Vu+ (and my guess is it must be the same on the DM800) you don't seem to be able to edit bouquets or channel lists via the remote.

Malcom, on FTPing you don't need to learn anything. It is built in to DBedit and just means clicking a button which does it all for you in the background.

 

[malcom123]

AS, I don't know how it is on the earlier boxs like the DM7020, but on the Vu+ (and my guess is it must be the same on the DM800) you don't seem to be able to edit bouquets or channel lists via the remote.

Malcom, on FTPing you don't need to learn anything. It is built in to DBedit and just means clicking a button which does it all for you in the background.

You can edit the bouqets (favourites) By deleting and number changing...(Delete only deletes from bouquet not the channel itself) Just got that sorted........What does not seem to possible is to edit the "MAIN" list......ie remove unwanted channels

My old cheap and chearfull Samsung did everything the user wanted in terms of editing.......Complex and yet simple to use. Also gave much more channel info without having to select menues.......Modern receivers I have to say are just half machines.......Stuff left of they could have given from new purchase instead of having to complete the machines functions by downloads

 

[Analoguesat]

7020 - You can move channels around in the bouquets very easily using the remote - you use the move command. You click on the channel it goes red and you move it up or down until you are happy then you click ok. Exit exit and the channels are setup.

Adding or removing channels from a bouquet is also easy if a bit fiddly - it takes multiple clicks of the buttons on the remote.

If they havent got that basic functionality in the Vu boxes Id be surprised - if you want to just move one channel its far quicker to move it using the rc rather than firing up db edit, making the changes and sending the channels back to the box then resetting it.

 

[malcom123]

Dont worry mate. You dont need to know much about computers to get a linux box to work. The basic functions are pretty much like any other receiver - ftp'ing and the like are more advanced and you dont have to use them on most receivers, although they make life easier if you can master it.

Just dont let the box get to you - it will take time to master it but most folk get there eventually.

I got it working quickly as long as I left auto scan alone. Manual scan is a dream better than my old Samsung.

But for immediate functionality without technical jargon and knowhow the old designs for me are unbeatable.......One of the reason I chose the VU+ is because I read so many comments about picture quality...That thus far it does deliver......

 

[Analoguesat]

Im wanting one (when Ive paid some bills off.... )

 

[malcom123]

Well if the receiver is not controlling the dish it is impossible to do an auto scan, because once it has finish scanning one satellite it it can't move the dish, so it just keeps rescanning the same orbital position over and over again.

Problem is it never got as far as starting a scan to do anything over and over again.....One of the menu options locked could not go back to escape it......Then the machine did its own thing and reverted back to start mode and enigma 2 download. Could not get to the final scan select.......

Should not auto scan just scan all transponders on one selected satellite position at a time!!!!!! Or have I got the wrong end of the stick.

 

[malcom123]

Im wanting one (when Ive paid some bills off.... )

If I lose my rag I might send you mine and probably pay you to take it of my hands.......(just joking early days yet) O-no

 

[malcom123]

Adding or removing channels from a bouquet is also easy if a bit fiddly - it takes multiple clicks of the buttons on the remote.

Iv'e mastered moving channels within a single bouquet and to a bouquet from the main list.....What I am having trouble with is moving channels from one bouquet to another bouquet (Not using the main list) It's not working for me...I did it once but don't know how......I follow the logic of moving a channel from the main menu bit it does not work when I use the same logic from bouquet to boquet.....Any low down on which and what buttons to praess