Newbie Here VU+ SOLO 4K DVB-S2 FBC Tuner

[Tururu]

With a unicable LNB, you would have what you want.
You can use 8 unicable FBC tuner using a single cable from the antenna, + a delivery splitter, with this and would function unicable tuner 8, then have to configure each tuner to channel through which transmits tasting "virtual" tuner unicable.
All this with a single cable from the LNB.
Several colleagues have it, it is how they work the 2 tuners FBC has.

The extra double tuner, works with standard LNB and also with unicable, as you suggest, you would have 2 tuners more.

In short, you can tune in complete independence in polarity and satellite band tp, then you can record tp channels you have.

Comparing with the VU + DUO2 (only 4 normal tuner that can work well with unicable LN, this allows up to 16 recordings Free / Free channels, we think the same as minimum or more.
Theme channels $$$, it is limited to 7 by the emulators, the Solo4K Oscam and not used as such.

A but LNB unicable to 4, very cheap, 8 Recalled and jump to 16/32 they are expensive.

On post # 10
With LNB you have, you already have half INSTALLATION (1 LNB qua)
Only 2 satellites Maximum unicable.
2 band LNB / polaridas pointing at 2 satellites you want.
A converter / switch many outputs as you want at 2 satellites, has unicable legacy output and 2 outputs (normal LNB with 2 satellites).
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Con un LNB unicable, tendrias lo que quieres, pero con peros.
Puedes usar los 8 tuner unicable FBC usando un solo cable desde la antena, + un repartidor splitter, con esto ya funcionarian los 8 tuner unicable, luego se tienen que configurar cada tuner al canal por donde transmite cada sintonizador "virtual" unicable.
Todo esto con un solo cable desde el LNB.
Varios compañeros lo tienen, es como funcionan los 2 sintonizadores FBC que tiene.

El tuner doble extra, funciona con LNB normales y tambien con unicable, como te indican, tendrias 2 sintonizadores mas.

Resumiendo, puedes sintonizar con total independencia en polaridad y banda del satelite, luego podras grabar del tp los canales que tenga.

Comparando con el VU+DUO2 (solo 4 tuner normales que pueden funcionar tambien con LNB unicable (4)), este permite hasta 16 grabaciones de canales libres/gratis, pensemos que lo mismo como minimo o mas.
Del tema de canales $, esta limitado a 7 por las emuladoras, el Solo4K usa Oscam y no se que tal.

Un pero, LNB unicable hasta 4, muy baratos, de 8 retirados del mercado y saltas a 16/32 que son caros.

Sobre el post #10
Con Los LNB que tienes, ya tienes media instalacion (1 LNB quattro)
Solo 2 satelites como maximo en unicable.
2 LNB por banda/polaridas apuntando a los 2 satelites que quieras.
Un convertidor/Conmutador de tantas salidas como quieras a los 2 satelites, tiene salida unicable y 2 salidas legacy (LNB normales con los 2 satelites).

The LNB unicable also have 1 or 2 inherited outputs for normal tuners (Legacy).
It read, only facilities with 2 satellites for unicable it is full of.
They work with 2 LNB quattro (that's right), one on each satellite and then a multiconmuatada box that makes it compatible with unicable connections.
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Los LNB unicable tambien tienen 1 o 2 salidas heredadas para sintonizadores normales (Legacy).

Por lo leido, solo se de instalaciones con 2 satelites al completo para unicable.
Funcionan con 2 LNB quattro (es correcto), uno a cada satelite y luego una caja multiconmuatada que hace compatible con unicable las conexiones.

Inverto - Products - Multiswitches
EMP-Centauri - Unicable (SCR) multiswitches
Cascadable multiswitch legacy SCR unicable, DVB-T modulator transmodulator, programmable filter amplifier

Using the 2 (normal) extras tuners connected to DiSEqC.- HotBird 13E, Eurobird 9E, Amos 4W and 7W Nilesat.
You could make recordings on other satellites.
Topic solved.
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Usando los 2 sintonizadores extras (normales) conectados al DiSEqC.- HotBird 13E, Eurobird 9E, Amos 4W y Nilesat 7W.
Podrias realizar grabaciones en el resto de satelites.
Tema solucionado.

Physically it is a coax cable, but it is as if they were 8 coax cables for better understanding, each at a frequency of communication with the FCB tuner, totally independent.
It's like the EuroNews channel on Astra at 19E, with the 8 audio tracks, you select the one you want and communication is correct.
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Fisicamente es un coax cable, pero es como si fueran 8 cables coaxiales para entendernos mejor, cada uno en una frecuencia de comunicacion con el sintonizador FCB, totalmente independiente.
Es como el canal EuroNews en Astra a 19E, con las 8 pistas de audio, seleccionas el que quieres y la comunicacion es correcta.
By the limitation with satellites, I'll take the DUO2, I see very "green".

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Por la limitacion con los satelites, me quedo con el DUO2, lo veo muy "verde".

 

[Archive7]

Thanks Tururu for your detailed reply.

The problem with unicable is that it is good only for one satellite and will not work with DiseqC
I will not use 8 tuners for just one satellite and would therefore use 4 FBC tuners for Astra 1M 19.2E and 4 FBC tuners for Hotbird 13E.
I found a relatively cheap unicable LNB with 2 legacy outputs costs only 44 euro each
Inverto IDLB-QUDL42-UNI2L-1PP which comes with one splitter
So my new setup would look like this:
1 - Get rid of the quattro LNB and replace it with the inverto LNB.
Connect one cable to the unicable output.
This leaves me with 4 spare cables.
2 - Get rid of the single standard LNB pointing to Astra 19.2E and replace it with the inverto LNB.
Connect one cable to the unicable output.
This leaves me with 3 spare cables.
3 - Connect one cable to the legacy ouput on the Astra unicable LNB
This leaves me with 2 spare cables.
4 - Connect one cable to the legacy ouput on the Hotbird unicable LNB
This leaves me with 1 spare cable.
5 - This last cable is connected to the DiseqC switch. Keep the Amos 4W, Nilesat 7W, Eurobird 9E LNB's and connect the cable that was connected before to the standard LNB pointing to Astra 1M to the new Astra Unicable LNB second legacy output.
I still have one unused legacy output on the Hotbird 13E unicable LNB, which I can seal with a 75 ohm termination.

In the living room I have now 5 cables:
6 - Connect the Astra unicable cable to tuner A of VU+ Solo 4K and configure all possible four FBC tuners.
7 - Connect the Hotbird unicable cable to tuner B of VU+ Solo 4K and configure all possible four FBC tuners
If I buy a dual tuner card module and install it in the VU+ Solo 4K, then I can use Tuner A on the module to connect to the DiseqC cable and connect the standard Hotbird cable to tuner B (just like my setup now) or don't buy this module (not cheap costs 90 Euro) and keep the cables connected to my existing VU+ SOLO SE V2.
I still have one spare standard cable for Astra 1M 19.2E. I am sure I can find a use for it in the future.
The multiswiches mentioned in your post is not cheap at all and I will not need to use it, unless I am missing something here.
Total cost for the upgrade is only 44x2=88 euro plus shipment + installation cost by a pro, if I can find one plus 500 Euro + shipment and taxes for the VU+ SOLO 4K.

 

[Tururu]

These mistaken in part, certainly you do not have switches, but you have a team that works similar between the 2 satellites as you want.
2 satellites in FCB (8 tuners) is about 180 ~ 200 € (IDLP-USS2OO-CUO1O-8PP), + 2 LNB quattro.
The but is expensive as you indicate, but you can expand.

Inverto - IDLP-USS2OO-CUO1O-8PP -
8 tuners FCB, plus 2 Legacy and Terrestrial Digital Television (TDT)
The settings you propose is cheaper.

As I mentioned, up to 4 + 2Legacy are cheap, 8 removed and 16/32 is a holdup.
IDLB-QUDL42-UNI2L-1PP

(Spain) Solo4K 466E + Dual Tuner DVB-S2 518 € are 52 € more.
Disk 1TB + € 542 + Dual DVB-S2 Tuner 594 € are 52 € more.

Coaxial cable.
1. FBC Astra.
2. FBC Hot Bird
3. Amos 4W, 7W Nile, Eurobird 9E
4. Legacy Legacy HotBird Astra + (+ DiSEqC 2x1)
5. Legacy Legacy HotBird Astra + (+ DiSEqC 2x1) for VU+Solo SE V2 (2 tuners).

Some extra information from the VU + Solo4K
2 tuners FCB with normal LNB, behave as if they were 4 + 4 tuner.
Will have 4 tuner input A and 4 other tuner at the entrance B.
Limitations, same band and polarity.
Reviewed by who does, I can not confirm 100%, when you have it, you'll know.
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Estas en un error en parte, no tienes conmutadores ciertamente, pero tienes un equipo que funciona similar entre los 2 satelites como quieres.
Para 2 satelites en FCB (8 sintonizadores) esta sobre los 180~200€ (IDLP-USS2OO-CUO1O-8PP), + 2 LNB quattro.
El pero, es caro como indicas, pero puedes ampliar.

Inverto - IDLP-USS2OO-CUO1O-8PP -
8 sintonizadores FCB, mas 2 Legacy y Terrestre(TDT)
La configuracion que propones es mas barata.

Como comente, hasta 4+2Legacy son baratos, los de 8 retirados y 16/32 es un atraco.
IDLB-QUDL42-UNI2L-1PP

(España) Solo4K 466E + Tuner doble DVB-S2 518€, son 52€ mas.
+ Disco 1TB 542€ + Tuner doble DVB-S2 594€, son 52€ mas.

Cable coaxial.
1.- FBC Astra.
2.- FBC Hot Bird
3.- Amos 4W, Nile 7W, Eurobird 9E
4.- Legacy Astra + Legacy HotBird (+ Conmutador 2x1)
5.- Legacy Astra + Legacy HotBird (+ Conmutador 2x1) para VU+Solo SEV2 (2 sintonizadores).

Un poco de informacion extra del VU+Solo4K
Los 2 sintonizadores FCB con LNB normales,se comportan como si fueran 4+4 tuner.
Tendras 4 tuner en la entrada A y otros 4 tuner en la entrada B.
Las limitaciones, misma banda y polaridad.
Comentado por quien lo tiene, no puedo confirmar al 100%, cuando lo tengas, lo sabras.

 

[Archive7]

Thanks again Tururu for your reply.
You proposed some really good ideas there.
I don't need multiswitches at this stage.
The funny thing is that the most precious thing that I have in my satellite setup are those five coaxial cables running from the roof top to my living room. The guys who made the initial installation many years ago really put a great efforts to get me the maximum number of cables that would go through the duct.

 

[Archive7]

If I connect to Tuner A of VU+ Solo 4K the cable that has DiseqC for the four satellites, how will all the 4 FBC tuners behave?
Obviously all 4 tuners will be connected to the SAME satellite at any one time, and if I watch a channel on Eurobird 9E, then the other 3 tuners will not be switchable to a different satellite. Am I right with this?
Another question, the VU+ Solo 4K doesn't have an inside fan and I read somewhere that it runs cool.
But with my current VU+ SOLO SE V2, it gets very hot and I use a small USB fan (amazingly very quite) to cool it down.
Apparently the dual tuner module gets very warm, this is why I hesitate to use an extra dual tuner to extend the number of tuners to ten.
Oh and my satellite man doesn't have any experience with unicable LNB, but he is willing to install them for me if I order them myself.

 

[Archive7]

There is a new receiver with twin FBC tuners from GigaBlue UHD Quad 4K which will be available by end of August 2016.
I am not familiar with this brand and I am wondering if their prices are substantially cheaper than VU+ for similar features.
The VU+ SOLO 4K would costs me today Euro 499 (less VAT for orders outside the EU + local taxes about 30%)
It is not cheap but it is a mature product now with reasonable support.
Not sure if it would be worth it to wait till September, especially not knowing the price tag.
Is there any other brand with twin FBC tuners available now, besides VU+?

 

[Tururu]

Como comente, segun quien lo tiene, se comportan los tuner FBC con LNB normal, como si fuera un tuner normal y los otros 3, serian esclavos del primero que controla la antena.
1.- Antena.
2,3,4.- Misma banda y polaridad que el => 1.

El Solo4K, usa disco 2'5" que genera poco calor, los tuner integrados en la placa base, poco calor, si miras las fotos por la red, tiene un gran disipador la CPU.
El sintonizador doble de satelite que admite es el mismo que el utilizado por el DUO2 y otro nuevo.
DUO2/Solo4K.- 00-1102709-01 (V.1.0 2012.11.02).
DUO2/Solo4K nuevo.- 00-1102709-01

Diferencias.? Fisicamente CF35 soldado por la otra cara y la referencia de version, de 01 a 02, siendo validos los 2 para el Solo4K.

Estos tuner trabajan muy calientes.
La caja del sintonizador esta a 53ºC.
Como le doy caña a los 4 sintonizadores, tengo ventilador y el tema mejora, solo 44ºc.

La pregunta de siempre, cuantos satelites/tp's necesitas grabar a la misma vez, segun las necesidades, eso tienes que buscar.
Ahora con el VU+Solos SE V2, tienes 2 tp's, con un DUO2, tienes 4tp's, el Solo4K, 4 tp y 6 esclavos (LNB normal) y con FCB son 10 tp's.

Si necesitas mas de 4tp's, el duo2 no vale, necesitas el Solo4K u otro parecido.
Con el material que tienes ahora, LNB normales.
1.-FBC A.- Astra (4 tp's misma banda/polaridad).
2.-FBC B.- Hot Bird (4 tp's misma banda/polaridad).
3.-Doble C.-Nile+Amos+EuroB 9E+Astra (1 tp).
4.-Doble D.-Hot Bird + Astra (1 tp).
5.-Hot Bird + Astra (Vu+Solo SE V2) (2 tp's misma banda/polaridad).

Por comentarios de quienes tienes Gigablue (los modelos actuales), indican que muy bien, siendo inferior al VU+ igual en prestaciones.
Compre un VU+DUO2 hace 2 años, compre hace 8 mese otro, podia comprar el Solo4K, pero lo vi muy verde, todavia lo veo verde si lo comparo con el DUO2, el Gigablue Quad UHD 4K, no esta ni verde.
Personalmente hace años que deje de ser beta-tester con los sintonizadores / imagenes.
Si te regalan el sintonizador, perfecto, no problemo.
Lo quieres para grabar programas? mejor algo seguro y verificado 100%.

PD:Un conmutador es eso, conmuta una antena/LNB u otra, jugando con un solo cable, solo un milagro permite tener otro satelite.

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As a comment, depending on who has the FBC tuner LNB behave standard, like a standard tuner and the other 3, would be the first slaves that controls the antenna.
1. Antenna.
2,3,4.- same band and polarity as the => 1.

The Solo4K, uses disk 2'5 "generates little heat, the tuner built into the motherboard, little heat, if you look at the photos on the network, has a large CPU heatsink.
The dual tuner that supports satellite is the same as that used by the DUO2 and a new one.
DUO2 / Solo4K.- 00-1102709-01 (V.1.0 2012.11.02).
DUO2 / Solo4K nuevo.- 00-1102709-01

Differences.? CF35 physically soldier on the other side and the reference version, from 01 to 02, being valid for Solo4K 2.

These tuner work very hot.
The tuner box is at 53ºC.
As I give cane to 4 tuners, I have fan and theme improvement, only 44ºC.

The old question, how many satellites/tp's need to record at the same time, according to the needs that have to look.
Now with the VU+Solos SE V2, you have 2tp's, with DUO2 you 4TP's, Solo4K, 4tp and 6tp slaves (standard LNB.) and LNB FCB is 10tp's.

Now with the VU + Solos SE V2, you have 2 tp's, with a DUO2, have 4TP's, Solo4K, 4 and 6 slaves tp standard LNB and FCB are 10 tp's.

If you need more than 4TP's, the DUO2 not worth, you need the Solo4K or other similar.
With the material you have now, LNB normal.
1. FBC A.- Astra (4 tp's same band / polarity).
2. FBC B.- Hot Bird (4 tp's same band / polarity).
3. Double C-Nile + Amos + 9E + Eurob Astra (1 tp).
4. Double D-Hot Bird + Astra (1 tp).
5. Hot Bird + Astra (Vu + Solo SE V2) (2 tp's same band / polarity).

For comments of those who have Gigablue indicate that very well (current models), still below the VU + equal in performance.
Buy a VU + DUO2 2years ago, buy another for 8 months, could buy the Solo4K, but I saw very green, still see green if I compare with DUO2, the Gigablue Quad 4K UHD, not even green.
Personally for years to stop being beta-tester tuners / images.
If they give the tuner, perfect, no problemo.
You want to record programs? something better secure and verified 100%.


PS: A switch is that, switches an antenna/LNB or another, playing with a single cable, only a miracle can have another satellite.
Sorry translations.

 

[Archive7]

Thank you very much Tururu for taking the time to answer my questions.
I have a clear picture now about the system.
Yes, the tuner card runs very hot and here we have a very hot climate at least 9 months a year and temperature is a big concern for me.
I don't think I will add an extra dual tuner if I order the Solo 4K (I can always test the heating issue with the tuner card module I have now on the Solo SE V2), and will not use an internal 2.5" HDD because they are too expensive and I would rather have an external 4TB or even 6TB instead.

 

[Tururu]

Si es cierto, la del SoloSE V2 dual es la misma placa (segun documentacion de internet).
Como no tiene la fuente de alimentacion dentro, esta mas frio y siempre puedes poner un ventilador de 1000rpm muy silencioso
Scythe Kaze Jyu Slim 1000 (7€) pegado a la tapa metiendo aire al interior.

Por Madrid tambien pasamos calor, el verano no baja de 35ºC y 4 semanas a 40ºC.
Esos dias, estoy en la finca 990metros de altura, por la noche 11-16ºC.
No comentaste cuantos canales quieres ver/grabar a la vez.??

Una cosa a tener en cuenta, streaming de canales en standby, estando encendido no funciona, en serio, no es coña (con openspa verificado), con otras imagenes no se.
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If true, that of SoloSE V2 is the same dual plate (according to documentation from the Internet).
As not within the power supply, this colder and you can always put a very quiet fan 1000rpm
Scythe Kaze Slim Jyu 1000 (7 €) attached to the lid getting air into.

Madrid also had heat, summer low of 35ºC and 4 weeks at 40ºC.
These days, I'm on the farm 990 meters high, at night 11-16ºC.
How many channels you commented not want to see/record at a time.??

One thing to keep in mind, streaming channels on standby, being on does not work, really, is not kidding (with openspa verified), with other images not.

 

[Archive7]

I am using a USB fan already. I can get the power from one of the USB connectors on the receiver, but I didn't want to waste a connector and use instead a mains adapter 230VAC to 5V DC the kind used to charge mobile phones.
LogiLink Mini - USB fan
I am not really sure about the number of channels I want to record. I am just excited about this relatively new technology of the FBC tuners and it is only natural that we satellite hobbyists would like to have no restrictions on how we watch TV.
In the end I will probably just watch one channel most of the time, but I want this capability and am willing to pay for it.
At the moment I am gathering information and you have been a great help. Thank you very much.
muchas gracias.
Oh it must be nice up there nearly 1000m high.
Thanks for the tip about streaming. I haven't had time to mess about with streaming but I would like to watch TV away from home. Just to show off to my friends when I visit them that it is possible.

 

[Archive4]

I am just excited about this relatively new technology of the FBC tuners and it is only natural that we satellite hobbyists would like to have no restrictions on how we watch TV.

Unfortunately, I am married

 

[Archive7]

Unfortunately, I am married

Sorry I don't know what you mean. Here most wives let their husbands watch the "Washing Machine Channel"

 

[Archive7]

Buy a VU + DUO2 2years ago, buy another for 8 months, could buy the Solo4K, but I saw very green, still see green if I compare with DUO2, the Gigablue Quad 4K UHD, not even green.

What do you mean by green?
Is the video colour too greenish or what?

 

[Archive4]

What do you mean by green?
Is the video colour too greenish or what?

I could be wrong, but I think that is a slight error in the universal translator! I´m thinking " green " as in new, unwise, untested, but have not found the related post as yet. If you could be so kind as to advise the post, I´ll have a look, as I´m sure other members will who have lived in Spain a while, to try ans make a better translation.
Tururu, no offence intended to you

 

[Archive7]

OK thanks. Now I see what you mean. Perhaps a better word would be "New Product" or "innovative" as the support is naturally far less than a mature product.
At first I thought that you probably meant "expensive" because here "green" is the colour of the US Dollar $$$$ bank notes.
If you search for the word "green", you will find the post. Ctrl-F

 

[Tururu]

The fox and the grapes.
One afternoon a fox was walking through the forest and spotted a bunch of grapes hanging from over a lofty branch.
“Just the thing to quench my thirst,” he thought. Taking a few steps back, the fox jumped and just missed the hanging grapes. Again the fox took a few paces back and tried to reach them but still failed.
Finally, giving up, the fox turned up his nose and said, “They’re probably sour anyway,” and proceeded to walk away.
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The grapes are green (Tururu).
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A team is "green" when you still have software failure.
The image program is loaded into the VU + Solo4K tuner is still not up to other computers on the market longer.
Imagine the Quad 4K UHD Gigablue tuner that is still in manufacturing.
I hope software developers already have their units to play.

The VU + DUO2 has outstanding defects after 2 years on the market.
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Un equipo esta "verde" cuando todavia tiene fallo de software.
La imagen, programa que se carga en el sintonizador VU+Solo4K todavia no esta a la altura de otros equipos con mas tiempo en el mercado.
Imagina el sintonizador Gigablue Quad 4K UHD que todavia esta en fabricacion.
Espero que los desarrolladores de software ya tengan sus unidades para jugar.

El VU+DUO2 tiene defectos pendientes despues de 2 años en el mercado.

Vu + Solo 4K: No streaming with the tuner on, it is a big problem.

Vu+Solo4K: No hacer streaming con el sintonizador encendido, es un gran problema.

@ Milamber.- New, unwise, untested, OK.

PS: Sorry translations.

 

[Archive7]

OK. Thanks Tururu for the funny story and for the warnings.
You are absolutely right to be cautious about spending money on new products.
The trouble with the Solo 4K is that there is absolutely very little information about the technology of the FBC tuners.
The chip manufacturer Broadcom has very little to say about it in their website and I think that they have now newer chip versions and VU+ is probably using the old version.
Also because of the relatively high price Euro 499 official price there are few users in the world who have it and therefore less pressure to develop new software or how to solve bug problems.
I am quite happy with the VU+ SOLO SE V2 and maybe I will buy another unit instead of the SOLO 4K in order to get 4 tuners.

 

[Tururu]

Remember improve cooling air getting into the tuner Solo SE V2, moving air in the area does not improve much the internal temperature if the air is not at 22°C.
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Recuerda mejorar la refrigeracion metiendo aire al sintonizador Solo SE V2, mover el aire de la zona no mejora mucho la temperatura interna si el aire no esta a 22ºC.

 

[Archive7]

Remember improve cooling air getting into the tuner Solo SE V2, moving air in the area does not improve much the internal temperature if the air is not at 22°C.
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Recuerda mejorar la refrigeracion metiendo aire al sintonizador Solo SE V2, mover el aire de la zona no mejora mucho la temperatura interna si el aire no esta a 22ºC.

The little USB fan is doing a great job cooling the unit and I have raised the box from it's designed short feet by about 3cm using two empty boxes of medicine tablets (paracetamol) on two sides to allow the bottom air vents to breathe better.
Just waiting for a possible discount soon on the VU+ Solo 4K, but I doubt if there will be anything in the near future. Maybe not till Christmas.

 

[4wd]

I have raised the box from it's designed short feet by about 3cm using two empty boxes of medicine tablets (paracetamol)

I use empty boxes of Valium, leftover after the first days learning my linux receiver :O)

Seriously, don't know about the Solo4k, but my Solo2 runs extremely cool, and got some great temp control program in there, see attach.

Only preemptive here is not placing any box on top of some other heat source > having enough shelf space available.