Using a echostar ad-3000ip viaccess with a smw q-pll quad lnb type r

[ozumo]

Technomate blind scan with LNB set as universal:

TM blindscan	universal LNB LO	SMW LO	SMW Range	TM Range Stored	Actual Freq e.g	TM stored Freq	Difference	SMW IF Range	SMW potential 950-1950 IF
13V	9750	10000	10950-11700	10750-11450V	11000V/H	10750V	-250mhz	950-1700	10950-11950
13V + 22khz	10600	10750	11700-12250	11550-12100V	12000V/H	11850V	-150mhz	950-1500	11700-12700
18V	9750	11300	12250-12750	10700-11200H	12500V/H	10950H	-1550mhz	950-1450	12250-13250
18V + 22khz	10600	9750	10700-11700	11550-12550H	11000V/H	11850H	+850mhz	950-1950	10700-11700

If the SMW outputs its full potential 950-1950 IF range for every LO, 13v + 22khz & 18v + 22khz would cover 10700-12700Mhz with only 2 LO.

On the Echostar:
Freq low = 10750
Freq high = 9750
Polarity Control = Polarotor
Band Control = 13v/18v
22khz Control = On

Frequencies and polarities should be correct. The reversed High/Low LOs may cause issue.
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	SMW LO	SMW Range	SMW IF Range	SMW potential 950-1950 IF	IF req. for full range	If IF range extends
13V	10000	10950-11700	950-1700	10950-11950	700-1700	10700-11700
13V + 22khz	10750	11700-12250	950-1500	11700-12700	950-2000	11700-12750
18V	11300	12250-12750	950-1450	12250-13250	-	-
18V + 22khz	9750	10700-11700	950-1950	10700-11700	-	-

Domestic PLL LNBs often output larger than expected IF ranges, if the pro grade SMW extends down to 700mhz and up to 2000mhz then 13v and 13v + 22khz would cover the full band. A receiver that can tune down to 700mhz would also be required (e.g Octagon sf8008)

13v: 10700 > 11700mhz, LO 10000
13v + 22khz: 11700 > 12750mhz, LO 10750

Frequencies would be correct. Now if you had a polariser controller that detected 13/18v, but only sent 13v to the LNB it'd all work. I think

Lots of numbers & ifs, maybes and assumptions, please excuse as I'm full of (legal) pills . Of course if the SMW does as it says on the tin then please ignore

 

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[subman]

Many Thanks Ozumo for the settings now I can see why you were saying regarding have to make 2 x Astra 4A Settings maybe even more if you need to play with LNB + Vert + Hoz settings and this is without plugging in the C band Lnb yet .

It does sound that what ever I do I still wont get full coverage .
LO 10.00 ( 13V No Tone 10.95 - 1170 Ghz
LO 10.75 ( 13 V 22 Khz Tone ) 11.70 - 12,25 Ghz
LO 11.30 ( 18V No Tone 12.25 - 12.75 Ghz
LO 9.75 ( 22 Khz Tone ) 10.70 - 11.70 Ghz

Dont worry Ozumo about the legal pills Me + the wife are a mobile pharmacy must be due to old age mate ! As for SMW they wont be back from summer holidays until mid Aug so its a case having a play until then .

I will unpack the TM-5402 this afternoon and have a play tomorrow then I will report back how many channels I am receiving . Looking at the TM-5402 its very basic so we shall see what LNB settings there are , Start from universal and work from there . The Rear of the TM-5402 looks very basic unlike the Echostar .

Ok I have just received a email regarding the Research Concepts from speaking to there tec guy Bryan Morris , Test & Support Technician
bmorris@researchconcepts.com

My 36 inch Thomson Saginaw Actuator with Hall Effect Sensor will work however the Chaparral Corotor wont because the output of the Polarization is only 12 V or 24 V so its not compatible not sure if the other stock Research Concepts controllers are the same or not .

 

[ozumo]

You will get the full 10700-12750 range, it's just the Technomate will save the found frequencies with an offsett as per the 1st table. The channels should still work Setting the 2 LOs on the Technomate to 10000 & 10750 if possible will at least mean some frequencies are correct. C band will be a doddle after all this

It'll be great to find out if the SMW only outputs the strict bands stated on the LNB, or if they extend in any way.

 

[subman]

You will get the full 10700-12750 range, it's just the Technomate will save the found frequencies with an offsett as per the 1st table. The channels should still work Setting the 2 LOs on the Technomate to 10000 & 10750 if possible will at least mean some frequencies are correct. C band will be a doddle after all this

It'll be great to find out if the SMW only outputs the strict bands stated on the LNB, or if they extend in any way.

When SMW come back on line we can ask unless Scopus might be able to tell us since he has a SMW TYPE E 10.7 - 11.7 - 12.75 Ghz

Oh thats good news if I can get the full range 10700 - 12750 just means I will have to play with it . As far as dish and Skew go its going to be down to the Echostar or a ASC1 .

 

[moonbase]

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The cleanest solution I can think of is to use a Titanium ASC1 for dish motorisation control including skew and the Technomate for scanning/viewing channels...

@subman

This is where you are going to end up, unless you swap out the ASC-1 for the Echostar

 

[subman]

Yes MB I think your going to be right on that , I have only found 1 second ASC-1 for sale but thats from the states . Did try the european sat forums but had nothing from there .Its slow but getting there .

 

[subman]

Ok Guys just had a email from Research Concepts and one of the other guys has confirmed that the RC2000 can drive a corotor as you can see from the drawing . All we need now is one for sale in the UK .

 

[ozumo]

A receiver that can tune down to 700mhz would also be required (e.g Octagon sf8008)

Just to correct myself, the Octagon sf8008 can not tune down to 700mhz

 

[subman]

Thanks for the update Ozumo but not got to that stage yet .But will let you know when I do .

 

[subman]

Ok just finished doing some tests The firmware of this Technomate TM-5402 is Version 1.4 . April 2016

Satellite : Astra 4A / Sinus2_3

So the settings are Type 1 Universal LNB freq 9.750 - 10.600 . I did try to change this freq to 9.750 - 10.750 it did scan up to 22% received 70 channels then it locked up . I then changed LNB freq to 9.750 - 11.300 scanned 17 % with 70 channels but locked up at 17% , In both cases I left the LNB set at Universal so maybe has to be changed to some other options , These are UNIVERSAL , OCS , SATCR , SINGLE

Blind Search with corotor set Vertical : Channels Received 304
corotor set Horizontal : Channels Received 406

Not sure if I am covering all of 10.700 - 12750 but will check the list : - FlySat Astra 4A / SES-5 @ 4.8° East

So any thoughts on the settings of the TM-5402 have I missed any ?

Oh yes Q is 97 and Sig 87 so not bad as not made any adjustments at the feed yet which I know is way since feed is pointing 4 - 5 inches above the centre of the dish .

Thanks again

 

[ozumo]

If possible could you please try - single, LO 10.750, 13v, 22khz on. This according to the LNB should cover 11700-12250mhz, it will be interesting to know if it scans anything above 12250. For example:

12418h 27500
12735h 3600
12437v 30000

 

[subman]

Good Evening Ozumo many thanks for the info I will give it a go today , Ok will change from Universal to Single but what freq should I try ?

I did try 9.750 - 10.750 but in scan it locked up at 22% scan
I also did try 9.750 - 11.300 but it locked up 17% scan

So I switch to : Single LNB but what settings should I try 9.750 - 10.750 ?????

Thanks again

 

[ozumo]

Hi subman I'd have thought single would have only given one setting for LO?

LNB Type: single
LO: 10.750
Power: 13v
22khz: on

I have no experience with the 5402 so don't if power & 22khz can be set specifically to 13v & on.

 

[subman]

Morning Ozumo just seen your update , All ok on the spec
LNB Type: single
LO: 10.750
Power: 13v
22khz: on

Yes I fully understand its all a gray area for me as I have never had a Technomate receiver before I have always had Echostar but I am sure this LNB will work with this receiver as SMW LNBs have been around for a very long time its a pity they are still on holiday other wise I would email them and find out . In the past I have had many quad band LNBs and never had any problems just bolted them on to the feed and plugged them in and away I went .

So I will have a play today with these settings and go through the list and see what I am missing as I dont think I am receiving 12.303 H but I will tick off from the list and see were there are holes .

Thanks again for the help .

 

[subman]

Hi Ozumo

Well I changed the settings to :

LNB Type: single
LO: 10.750
Power: 13v ( should this be auto to switch to 18v when required ?
22khz: on

Corotor Vertical HOZ

Channels 250 342

But what I have found is I am unable to see the free channels as you can see if my attached picture : 11.996 H there are :-
Visjon Norge HD
Kanal 10 Sevenige
God TV Europe

They all come up with NO Audio / Video but tons of Q + Sig maybe I have missed changing over some other setting ? in Fact all the free channels come up with the same thing any thoughts .

Thanks again

 

[ozumo]

It should be 13v only. The settings I was giving was to select only one of the available bands, to try to see if it would scan above the quoted range (in this case 11700-12250mhz).

As for your example 11996H is recorded on your Technomate as 11843, or 153mhz lower. This means it was saved on the 5402 when the LO was set to 10600 as would be the case when the LNB settings were set to universal.

I would delete all channels, then rescan with the settings as per post #74. That will scan the 11700-12250mhz range. It should find 11996H, and with a bit of hope 12303H.

 

[subman]

Oh understood Ozumo .Will go back to Universal

9.750 - 10.600
22 Khz Auto

And do a rescan

I am about to buy Scopus ASC1 when that arrives that can replace the Echostar for Dish + Skew control so wont have to keep changing over receivers

Ok will do a blind scan and let you know how things go

Thanks again

 

[ozumo]

I didn't mean go back to universal. But yes a universal scan will find everything across the whole 10600-12750mhz band, however the frequencies stored won't match any published list.

In the end if you persist using this LNB then you may need up to six satellites saved in the technomate per actual satellite position, with 3 of the satellites having single LNB settings for horizontal, and 3 more for vertical. It will save a world of hassle if you swap the LNB for a true universal one as moonbase earlier suggested, which will mean one satellite per position covering the whole band and both polarisations, and no messing working out which frequencies you are receiving or not.

 

[subman]

Understood Ozumo well sounds like its going to be a pain in the bum having six satellites stored in the Technomate might be cheaper just to change the receiver as the LNB was £400 .

Once SMW come back online due to summer holidays I will see what they have to say if every things fails I still have the old LNB that can just bolt back onto the corotor . But I cant believe there is so many problems using a SMW Quad band LNB with a domestic receiver . When I plug in my meter it shows every thing . Thanks again for all your help looks like its far from a quick fix but I will still need a replacement receiver compatible with this LNB .