Astra 2d in Sweden

[Lazarus]

That Dish is £135 from SatEuropa.

Of course, it's the "Delivered" total that really matters.

 

[IrishScandie]

Thanks yeah it's around £25 cheaper total from sateuropa.

What is the difference between these two,apart from the price.....

Inverto Black Premium 0.2dB Quad LNB which is €38.49

Inverto Black Premium 0.2dB Quattro LNB which is €20.90


Am I best off just getting the first one?

 

[Telia]

No way it cost £25 to ship that dish to Sweden from UK, it must be national shipping charge.

It cost at least 150 euros to ship a 120cm dish by truck from Germany to Sweden, UK even more because it's an island and much more hassle.

Shipping 1 aluminium dish by truck is playing russian roulette as it will certainly not be straight when arriving, i know because i've ordered two aluminium dishes from both Germany and Belgium and both turned up warped and the other one had a large dent.

If you are ordering from abroad, you should tell them to build a wooden crate, it's the only way the dish will be in perfect condition when arriving.

 

[Topper]

Thanks yeah it's around £25 cheaper total from sateuropa.

What is the difference between these two,apart from the price.....

Inverto Black Premium 0.2dB Quad LNB which is €38.49

Inverto Black Premium 0.2dB Quattro LNB which is €20.90


Am I best off just getting the first one?

Yes you are better off sticking with the first option as the quattro is something different, it has four outputs but all are different i.e.

Vertical low band
vertical high band
horizontal low band
and horizontal high band

These are normally combined using a diseqc switch, you do not need this combination for your setup

 

[IrishScandie]

No way it cost £25 to ship that dish to Sweden from UK, it must be national shipping charge.

It cost at least 150 euros to ship a 120cm dish by truck from Germany to Sweden, UK even more because it's an island and much more hassle.

Shipping 1 aluminium dish by truck is playing russian roulette as it will certainly not be straight when arriving, i know because i've ordered two aluminium dishes from both Germany and Belgium and both turned up warped and the other one had a large dent.

If you are ordering from abroad, you should tell them to build a wooden crate, it's the only way the dish will be in perfect condition when arriving.

Well according to sateuropa site it costs £30 for standard EU delivery(£8 for UK and £50 for express EU),and that cost remains the same having filled in all details such as address etc.

 

[Telia]

Well according to sateuropa site it costs £30 for standard EU delivery(£8 for UK and £50 for express EU),and that cost remains the same having filled in all details such as address etc.

Well good luck then but you will not get it shipped for that when they confirm the order for £30

I just did a order test for a Andrews 1.8m dish to Sweden on their site, £22.50 shipping cost, yea right...

Order Code QTY Product Name Colour Price inc VAT
ANTAN04 Channel Master 1.8m dish with LNB (4.5" AZ/EL) No Option £699.99
Choose Delivery Option Standard EU Delivery £22.5
Order Total £722.49

From distributur in France or Germany this dish cost 400 euros to ship to another EU country.

 

[IrishScandie]

What do you think they are just making up the price when ordering?

When ordering they quote price of delivery as £30,so that is what I expect to pay.

When I place my order(and have paid delivery cost) with my address,then as far as i'm concerned I have paid for it.It is then their responsibility to deliver it to said address.



Does anyone else other than Telia think there will be a problem or complication?

 

[kitschcamp]

From distributur in France or Germany this dish cost 400 euros to ship to another EU country.

That's about what I paid in delivery for mine. The box is huge and very oddly shaped. Not the sort of thing to go into the back of a UPS van.

 

[IrishScandie]

Having emailed sateuropa,they tell me delivery will cost roughly £80,so more than the £30 their site says but certainly nowhere near €400 either.


On a sidenote,would I get astra2d from any dish that I can pick up here in Sweden?

Would a Gibertini 105cm do the job?

How about a Triax TDE 110cm?

Thanks again for all the help/advice so far.Need to get things moving,World Cup getting nearer.

 

[trigger]

Got a friend that has emailed me today about a dish for stockholm. When are you ordering as can then share the shipping if he goes ahead?

 

[Kirsty Jane Fussell]

Holy cow. I'm kinda confused... In 3 months time, I'm joining my Sambo in Lund and I'm insisting on setting up Sky when I get there!

Please can I have some info on what I need, as a complete novice on all areas of this stuff, can you suggest products I will need to set up. I already have a Sky Box but I assuming thats not gonna cut it.

I understand I will need a 1.2m dish, a receiver but what else?!

Thanks in advance

 

[kitschcamp]

I live about 30kms away. You won't get Astra 2D with a 1.2m dish in Skåne. You need a minimum of a 1.8m Andrews/Channel Master dish, or a 2.4m "no name" dish.

You need a good Invacom quad C120 LNB with a proper feedhorn for the dish you are using.

DO NOT skimp on either the dish or the LNB. Do not even think about it. If you do, just throw your money down the drain.

And be careful what box you choose, some are fine for fringe reception, but many aren't. Read carefully about which models to choose.

 

[PaulR]

Your existing Sky box may do as some have decent tuners. Which model is it exactly? Look at the label underneath the box or on the back panel.

 

[Spikey10]

Hi, I am a complete novice when it comes to these things but have just had a 120cm triax dish and triax box installed so I can get free UK TV in Gothenburg Sweden, however all the bbc and itv channels except BBC News and Parliament are encrypted, can anybody help, please. am I pointing at the wrong satellite?

 

[Analoguesat]

You probably need a bigger dish

 

[archive10]

Hi, I am a complete novice when it comes to these things but have just had a 120cm triax dish and triax box installed so I can get free UK TV in Gothenburg Sweden, however all the bbc and itv channels except BBC News and Parliament are encrypted, can anybody help, please. am I pointing at the wrong satellite?

Hello, welcome to the forum.

No, you are pointing at the right constellation (28.2 degrees East). In simple terms, there are 3 satellites at 28.2E, and a fourth just next to them on 28.5E. The three on 28.2E are Astra 2A, 2B and 2D. The first two give you good reception, even on a 60 cm dish. They carry among many other thing the BBC News, Parliament etc. The third, Astra 2D, has BBC1,2,3,4 + ITV x + Channel 4/5. That one is MUCH weaker here in the Nordics, so you need a much bigger dish for reliable reception of those channels.

So you are indeed pointing to the right constellation, you just don't have a big enough dish to get Astra 2D, as this is mechanically restricted in the satellite's reflector to only illuminate UK and bits of western Europe.

(So If you just into Sky sports which is on 2A/B and have a subscription, you don't need to worry. But as you want free TV from the UK, you need to go for Astra 2D).

As you will see from other postings here on satellites.co.uk, imperical evidence shows that you need a much bigger dish. I'm almost due south of you on Sjælland (north of Copenhagen), and I have tried first 180 cm crap metal dish (Jonsa/Fortec) and then a 125cm high-quality dish PVC/Glassfibre dish, both of these could barely lock on to the strong horizontals, and not get the verticals at all.

I now have a Channel Master 180 cm (expensive and heavy, but also regarded as one of absolute best of the lot), which does the trick. Kitschcamp lives in Skåne, and have been through more or less exactly the same exercise, ending up with a channel master 180cm. Look in the thread on members installations, you will find both of our installations there.

The CM180 goes for something like 2500-3500 SEK on e-bay-equivalents here in DK, I think you pay roughly the same in Sweden.

Don't get distracted by people receiving 2D on a 120 cm dish around Stockholm. There's a so-called side-lobe there, a kind of hot-spot, which makes it possible. It only is around Stockholm, so you won't benefit from it, I'm afraid.

Sorry to bring bad news on your new installation, but I hope to save you some effort in fiddling with different LNBs, receivers etc. Dish-size is the only major differentiator.

 

[Spikey10]

Thank you for a comprehensive reply, I will get them back to change the dish, I haven't paid yet , I will let you know how I get on.

 

[Analoguesat]

Dont let them palm you off with Jonsa / Fortec Star dishes - they are cheaply made and perform poorly - and are known to have a nasty tendency to distort in high winds... You need a decent quality dish.

 

[archive10]

One thing is what you can talk the installers into - antoher is how much you want to invest, both in terms of price of dish, but also in terms of creating the mount etc.

The Channel Masters are fab, but expensive. And you need a serious mounting - it's not something you stick to a 5 cm pole bolted to the gables of your house. (The dish w. mount itself is around 80 kg, so you need sturdy mounting, and moreover it presents a massive sail to the november storms, so you need to fix it to something that really doesn't move.)

People do seem to get reasonable results with 150 cm Gibertinis or better 180 cm Laminas (Polish). But again you need proper mounting, or you will at best need to re-align dish after storm, at worst watch your dish head for the neighbour's greenhouse or new car to do some damage. (I found my Jonsa/FortecStar at the end of the garden after a bit of wind one night...)

Once you've got the dish settled, make sure you have an Inverto Black Ultra Quad (or dual, but price diff is minimal) LNB, these seem to be particularly good for us in the Nordics, as they have very good Horizontal/vertical separation, and give really good results here in scandinavia (where the horizontals are really difficult to get). They are also relatively in-expensive (compared to Global Invacom LNBs, which othewise are considered top-notch).

 

[Spikey10]

Thanks guys. I did notice that when I was scanning for channels that I can see all the UK free channels but they are all encrypted ($), is there a way of getting these if for instance I got a Freesat box or a Freeview box from the UK to unscramble the signal?