Astra 2F: European Beam Transfers Starting?

[solly]

the mid day signal 12480v weker 4.7 c/n right
12460h now got 6.0 c/n 2a noarth beam

 

[Huevos]

Well, I have made guesses in the thread earlier on. Perhaps with the delay of 2E they decided to make more use of 1N in the short term and move 2B to it's new location. Maybe 2F will be used more later on after 1N is full. Maybe 2F can't use the higher frequencies used by 1N PE1. So many possibilities... ;)

Here is a list of frequencies that 2F emitted when testing at 43.5ºE. All these frequencies were confirmed from multiple locations.

• 10953H
• 10991H
• 10964H
• 10996H
• 11000V
• 11030H
• 11050V
• 11055H
• 11118H
• 11120V
• 11180V
• 11193H
• 11263V
• 11303V
• 11307H
• 11332H
• 11340H
• 11342V
• 11345H
• 11440V
• 11515H
• 11527V
• 11534H
• 11538V
• 11623H
• 11625V
• 11650V
• 11675H
• 11711H
• 11725V
• 11776H
• 11778V
• 11786H
• 11798H
• 11817V
• 11856V
• 11866V
• 11876H
• 12160H
• 12169H
• 12185H
• 12185V
• 12200H
• 12207V
• 12226H
• 12246V
• 12252V
• 12265H
• 12270H
• 12285V
• 12304H
• 12323V
• 12337H
• 12363V
• 12402V
• 12422H
• 12441V
• 12460H
• 12480V
• 12490H
• 12518H
• 12539H
• 12551H
• 12580V
• 12580H
• 12590V
• 12725H

 

[timo_w2s]

Here is a list of frequencies that 2F emitted when testing at 43.5ºE. All these frequencies were confirmed from multiple locations.

10953H
10991H
10964H
10996H
11000V
11030H
11050V
11055H
11118H
11120V
11180V
11193H
11263V
11303V
11307H
11332H
11340H
11342V
11345H
11440V
11515H
11527V
11534H
11538V
11623H
11625V
11650V
11675H
11711H
11725V
11776H
11778V
11786H
11798H
11817V
11856V
11866V
11876H
12160H
12169H
12185H
12185V
12200H
12207V
12226H
12246V
12252V
12265H
12270H
12285V
12304H
12323V
12337H
12363V
12402V
12422H
12441V
12460H
12480V
12490H
12518H
12539H
12551H
12580V
12580H
12590V
12725H

So that confirms nicely 2F can use pretty much everything except the old 2D band.

 

[Huevos]

on 12.207V .... it must be something else.

Might be 2A, 2F PE beam, or even 1N UK Spot beam.

Not 2A, it's too strong here for that.

 

[Huevos]

So that confirms nicely 2F can use pretty much everything except the old 2D band.

There were 3 uncorroborated reports in band D.

 

[solly]

out of footprint of astra 1n it cut beam
but need to waiting more tp will be need move

 

[timo_w2s]

Not 2A, it's too strong here for that.

Indeed, if that was 2A it would be the first and only time I haven't been able to pick it up in Helsinki on a 1.8m dish.

 

[C0re]

There were 3 uncorroborated reports in band D.

The 2F doesn't have capacity in the old 2D band. This was proven by several sources mentioned in one of the other topics.

 

[RimaNTSS]

According to flysat channels moved to Astra 1N

 

[Lazarus]

According to flysat channels moved to Astra 1N

ScreenHunter_21 Jan. 25 16.19.jpg

Flysat and similar sites update according to reader's reports mainly, so what appears there - although useful - is not necessarily accurate.


The quality of data improves with corroboration.

 

[C0re]

Lyngsat also reports the move of several 2B frequenies to the 1N. Lyngsat is considered to double check reports first hence the delay in updates.

 

[dxn]

Where about in Portugal are you located? Are you sure that your antenna is properly aligned?
I never had trouble with any of the Astra 2B North beam transponders in Central Lisbon with my 1.5m Gibertini Offset antenna and Invacom Quad lnb.
In fact, some of the Astra 2A North Beam transponders were always a bit weaker then those on 2B NB but the only one I couldn't (still can't) receive 24/7 is 12480V.

My antenna got slightly out of alignment with the strong winds we had last Saturday and I did not had opportunity to realign it yet. Since then, the reception of 11992H, 12012V, 12382H, 12246V got patchy and 12480V was almost 100% lost.
But with the transponder changes the last couple of days I fully recovered 12012V, 12382H and 12246V.
Now, I just need to realign the antenna to recover the remaining...

i'm in Lisboa area - Estoril. Here Astra 2A North beam his much better than Astra2B north Beam.
Could be the antena performance that is better, and gilbertini is well know for his better gain.

 

[Huevos]

This was proven by several sources mentioned in one of the other topics.

Attribution please.

 

[Huevos]

Lyngsat also reports the move of several 2B frequenies to the 1N. Lyngsat is considered to double check reports first hence the delay in updates.

This just cannot be so. That would mean the spot beam is more powerful 2000km off-centre than the PE beam. Doesn't make any sense to me at all. For example Sky News from my location: too weak for 2A South; too strong for 2A North; weaker than 1N spot; stronger than 2F spot. And by the way definitely not 1N PE1. There are currently two 1N PE1 transponders transmitting (11006V & 11185V) and the signal from them is colossal compared to this. So what satellite is it on? 2F spot not receivable from Portugal so it is not that. Running out of beams fast, what are we left with? 2F western Europe? What else could it be?

 

[solly]

sky me sky news was 2a we got 9.6 c.n after switch to 1n pe1 beam signal lost here
but it look n ear same coverage beam

 

[davidcmadrid]

Huevos what frequency are you guys talking about ? Sky news HD or SD ?

 

[Huevos]

Huevos what frequency are you guys talking about ? Sky news HD or SD ?

SD -> 12207V. There is no way this is on 2A. Compare to a typical 2A transponder (11778V -> EPG Background Audio).

11778V -> SNR = 41%


12207V -> SNR = 81%


Values using a 1.8m PF dish.

 

[C0re]

Attribution please.

Lets get this rumour over with once and for all. Why does the 2F has no capacity in the Astra 2D range:

1. A fact sheet of the Astra 2F published by SES: _marcus21.altervista.org/File/astra-2f.pdf
2. The Astra 1N is higly anticipated for the Astra 19.2 position and if the Astra 2F would cover the 2D range then it had replaced the 1N by now.
3. It's confirmed on a Turkish news website: _www.uydudanevar.com/2012/11/astra-2f-282-dogu-teknik-ozellikleri.html
4. On the SES Facebook page only the transfer of the West African beam and the frequecies above 10.950 GHz have been confirmed.
5. Read this discussion again: http://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/topic/156801-astra-2f-at-28e-at-last/page-51#entry824686

Can we go on-topic again, please?

 

[C0re]

But not 1N Pan-European beam ! 12.207V is much weaker here than all the 1N UK Spot beam transponders. The 1N PE is supposed to be receivable with 60cm standard here, as that satellite is meant for 19 east anyway. No way you get a stable signal with 60cm here (Bavaria,Germany) on 12.207V .... it must be something else.

Might be 2A, 2F PE beam, or even 1N UK Spot beam. But certainly not 1N PE beam.

That frequency puzzles me as well. It's considerable lower here as well. I'm even within the 2F UK spot beam footprint. It's about 22% lower than for example 11023H. 12051V with CNN is yet even lower here. 12032H with QVC is about the same as 12207V.

 

[kota]

Huevos ... I'm getting this in Lisbon with the same size dish as yours ... care to comment ??