Just Sharing This Kabelio ag tv now fta @ 13 east

[dvdfilm]

There are 26 HD channels in one tp, it’s not surprising the resolution and bitrate aren’t great quality.

 

[dankargo]

Seeing as the number of TV licensees in the UK has dropped by 250,000 in the last 6 months there has to be serious questions asked about the funding of some BBC services & BBC satback surely has to be in the firing line sooner or later.....

Who cares if a couple of dozen folk on some ultra remote Scottish island loses access to Eastenders for a few nights because some flea powered transmitter has dropped its link??

Absolutely agree with this. With the rise in Fibre broadband availability (and 5G broadband) in remote areas and access to live TV via the catch-up players, it's surely only a matter of time before they pull the plug.

I completely lost Freeview reception a few days ago due to the atmospheric conditions and was pleasantly surprised at how good the live streams of BBC channels on iPlayer looked on my 50" TV. The delay between live was also much shorter than what I can remember from around 10 years ago, roughly 25 seconds.

 

[Analoguesat]

There is also the argument that its economic madness to keep some of the small transmitters going. It would be far cheaper to supply each property with a couple of Freesat boxes and install dishes on the affected houses.

 

[dvdfilm]

Well for a start of modernisation the BBC should put one version of the local news on the HD channel instead of that screen saying to change channel every time, as it’s done in France and on the Tivusat Italian service.

 

[Analoguesat]

Which version do you pick? If London is chosen there will be screams of more London/South East bias from everyone north of Watford. If you pick Birmingham or Manchester the folks in London will complain at no local news.

The Beeb announced months ago there were no plans to put every news region on satellite as it was just too expensive.

 

[ozumo]

Not convinced by the too expensive argument the BBC gives. How much does a transponder or two cost in comparison to the iplayer or the 'talent' bill. Look how much Huw Edwards gets for reading the news, or what Zoe Ball Is paid for informing us that everything is amazing and how everyone loves everyone else. Then there's the Match of the Day lot.

Convert all the BBC SD transponders to S2, then squeeze 7 HD channels for the regions onto each one (it's not like there's any sport left on the beeb, the Six Nations are about to be lost). Then have one SD BBC1 for the stragglers without HD receivers.

 

[2night]

2night is just quoting a Kabelio press release or email.

hoi,

that's right

some more info from the relevant company statement

the FTA broadcast was an accident because we rebuilt our headend that day in Switzerland. In fact, many transmitters are only configured in the test setup.
That's because we originally wanted to do a mix of SD and HD. But the new MPEG4 AVC h264 encoders are now so good that there is almost no optical difference between MPEG-4 and HEVC in the lower bit rate range. That was also extremely surprising for us. Bit rate is not always bit rate, the mistake is very often made. It depends on the encoding quality / efficiency and the source signal. Unfortunately we very often have marginal sources, even what we get from MGRTL and P7S1 via glass is not the quality as on ASTRA19E, but as sources we have to take that we get.

We then tried out the planned SD transmitters as a test in 1280x720p50 at a low bit rate, and the picture is worlds better than SD with a similar bit rate. Interestingly, some channels that are actually in 1080i25 work at least exactly well at 720p50, we made parallel comparisons. With 1080i25 there are fields with 25 frames and with 720p50 there are 50 frames, which makes an extreme difference. That was the reason why the öffis made 720p50 and not 1080i25! And they were right. Only the advertising suggests to us that 1080 is more than 720 and must be better, but that one is 25 fields and the other 50 full images are omitted. Ok, we waste more power when we use the p50, because more computing power is required, but with a lower bit rate you get a passable picture, visually speaking. We will now turn this "test transmitter" into a dynamic stat. Pack Mux where the bit rate distribution mechanism takes place as required, this will bring even more quality. All in all, we organize the Mux very efficiently.
Much work will be done on this in the coming week.


The FEC will stay that way so that there are also bad weather reserves. If you change from 3/4 to 5/6, you need at least C / N of 9.35 dB, in bad weather you have to add 4-6dB, so in good weather the carrier has to come in with just under 15 dB C / N, you usually can't do that with a 90cm. 3/4 FEC has carrier lock at 7.9 dB C / N + 4-6 dB = in good weather 13 dB are feasible with 90cm.

We will switch to HEVC together with SRG, so it is agreed.

Our slogan is "One for all", you can also see all of the SRG channels via the Kabelio module! i.e. you no longer need the SRG card. Exactly for the reason what you say, most TV sets STB only have one CI slot! i.e. we are the first company that is allowed to use the SRG broadcast on the Hotbird in Simulcrypt! The Simulcrypt with our Panaccess will go live in October.

And that we use Viaccess is impossible. With Viaccess it takes a few weeks and the cards run in Oscam / Controlword sharing. Our system is CSA3, cardless and the so-called advanced security SoCs. Viaccess has a different strategy than Panaccess. Viaccess always wants to sell new smart cards, so leaks are always helpful, then sell something new and better. Panaccess says safe is safe.

 

[dvdfilm]

The price of this package is around 11 euros a month, well it’s better to use the Satback feed until it’s available.

 

[dvdfilm]

Now all Kabelio channels have correct ID names and also EPG, including BBC and ITV.

 

[Adam792]

Presumably by tests of France 2 on 13°E in “Simulcrypt” they mean the Bis version on 11681H! I wonder if that one has a Panaccess CAID now.

Edit - just taken a look at DigitalBitrate (I don’t currently have a dish on 13°E) and sure enough, they’ve picked up France 2 HD on 11681H carrying Kabelio’s 0x4afc Panaccess CAID.

 

[Analoguesat]

The price of this package is around 11 euros a month, well it’s better to use the Satback feed until it’s available.

A bargain for folks living outside the 27.5W coverage who have contacts in Switzerland.

 

[dvdfilm]

A bargain for folks living outside the 27.5W coverage who have contacts in Switzerland.

But only if they mainly watch static programs, because the bitrate is quite low and I wouldn’t recommend watching match of the day on the Kabelio service.
The bitrate on Satback is acceptable

 

[Analoguesat]

Blokko vision is better than nothing for any expat living far away & not everybody has any interest in sports..

 

[Rutep]

hoi,

that's right

some more info from the relevant company statement

the FTA broadcast was an accident because we rebuilt our headend that day in Switzerland. In fact, many transmitters are only configured in the test setup.
That's because we originally wanted to do a mix of SD and HD. But the new MPEG4 AVC h264 encoders are now so good that there is almost no optical difference between MPEG-4 and HEVC in the lower bit rate range. That was also extremely surprising for us. Bit rate is not always bit rate, the mistake is very often made. It depends on the encoding quality / efficiency and the source signal. Unfortunately we very often have marginal sources, even what we get from MGRTL and P7S1 via glass is not the quality as on ASTRA19E, but as sources we have to take that we get.

We then tried out the planned SD transmitters as a test in 1280x720p50 at a low bit rate, and the picture is worlds better than SD with a similar bit rate. Interestingly, some channels that are actually in 1080i25 work at least exactly well at 720p50, we made parallel comparisons. With 1080i25 there are fields with 25 frames and with 720p50 there are 50 frames, which makes an extreme difference. That was the reason why the öffis made 720p50 and not 1080i25! And they were right. Only the advertising suggests to us that 1080 is more than 720 and must be better, but that one is 25 fields and the other 50 full images are omitted. Ok, we waste more power when we use the p50, because more computing power is required, but with a lower bit rate you get a passable picture, visually speaking. We will now turn this "test transmitter" into a dynamic stat. Pack Mux where the bit rate distribution mechanism takes place as required, this will bring even more quality. All in all, we organize the Mux very efficiently.
Much work will be done on this in the coming week.


The FEC will stay that way so that there are also bad weather reserves. If you change from 3/4 to 5/6, you need at least C / N of 9.35 dB, in bad weather you have to add 4-6dB, so in good weather the carrier has to come in with just under 15 dB C / N, you usually can't do that with a 90cm. 3/4 FEC has carrier lock at 7.9 dB C / N + 4-6 dB = in good weather 13 dB are feasible with 90cm.

We will switch to HEVC together with SRG, so it is agreed.

Our slogan is "One for all", you can also see all of the SRG channels via the Kabelio module! i.e. you no longer need the SRG card. Exactly for the reason what you say, most TV sets STB only have one CI slot! i.e. we are the first company that is allowed to use the SRG broadcast on the Hotbird in Simulcrypt! The Simulcrypt with our Panaccess will go live in October.

And that we use Viaccess is impossible. With Viaccess it takes a few weeks and the cards run in Oscam / Controlword sharing. Our system is CSA3, cardless and the so-called advanced security SoCs. Viaccess has a different strategy than Panaccess. Viaccess always wants to sell new smart cards, so leaks are always helpful, then sell something new and better. Panaccess says safe is safe.

What is the point in having a satellite station when it is not possible to buy supscription in other countries than Zwitzerland ?

I asked once one station, which I could catch here, of subscription. No interest in that : we do not work in your country !

You talk about bit rates. I see here the audio is AAC, E-AC-3 and HE-AAC. The video 720, 1080, HD.

Hotbird 13C: 11096 H - LyngSat

Fine with me.

 

[iandoh]

What is the point in having a satellite station when it is not possible to buy supscription in other countries than Zwitzerland ?

I asked once one station, which I could catch here, of subscription. No interest in that : we do not work in your country !

You talk about bit rates. I see here the audio is AAC, E-AC-3 and HE-AAC. The video 720, 1080, HD.

Hotbird 13C: 11096 H - LyngSat

Fine with me.

Swiss people with secondary homes abroad. EG: In Spain

 

[Rutep]

2night talked about reception in all kind of weather and alternative to mixing SD and HD in one frequency.
I notice that the station Aljazeera English HD can be found in bad weather and on non-HD receivers on 11137H on Hotbird
They seem to solve this well. I have both old TV and old receiver like many people.

Aljazeera English - LyngSat

Hotbird 13C: 11137 H - LyngSat

The audio is "AC-3". My TV says it is Dolby Digital 3/2. It can also be just "digital stereo".
7,4 mbyte, does it come much higher ?

 

[Rutep]

There are nineteen or twenty channels on Kabelio in German, three in English, one in Italian and two in French.
My disc is stuck on Hotbird which is 13 east. I do not intend to move it to Astra 19,2 east which is the most common around here. BBC One, BBC Two and ITV are free on Astra. And there are many German stations free there.
TV5 Monde is also free on Astra. It was free on 11137H Hotbird for many years but disappeared all of a sudden. A quality station often with English subtitles (sometimes multilingual). If this station would be on Kabelio and it would be possible to buy subscription, I would subscribe.

TV 5 Monde Europe - LyngSat

Astra 2E: 10847 V - LyngSat

Astra 2E: 10906 V - LyngSat

 

[Analoguesat]

Some info on the Kabelio offering

Kabelio launches Swiss DTH package on Eutelsat Hotbird

Kabelio, a new TV package for Swiss DTH satellite households, will launch on Eutelsat Hotbird (13° East) on October 15, 2020, featuring both domestic and international channels such as ARD, ZDF, OR…

www.broadbandtvnews.com

summarising:
the ci+ cam is Eu55 and doesnt have a smartcard.
no subscription - 3 6 or 12 month pre-payments available. 12 months is about 120quid.

 

[astra19]

Not a bad price. I think they'd been aiming to have more channels according to their original promotional materials, but they seem to have got less ambitious.

 

[dvdfilm]

Question for who has activated the Kabelio module, what’s the picture quality of BBC and ITV?