My first toroidal 90 multi dish install with 20 lnbs

[RimaNTSS]

Thanks! By 32 limit I meant 32 stationary positions when 32 LNBs are connected to one SAT tuner.
I have another question (sorry for putting it in this tread): I have 3 SAT tuners in my DM8k, and what I do is changing satelites.xml by creating in that file fake satellites like
<sat name="Astra (28.2E)A" flags="0" position="281">
<sat name="Astra (28.2E)B" flags="0" position="282">
<sat name="Astra (28.2E)C" flags="0" position="283">
all the frequencies within those sats are the same, but now tuner A looks within Astra (28.2E)A and so on. Am I doing that right, or there is another way how to manage settings?
TBH I did not update Germini image for long time, maybe even a year, see no need of that.

 

[godzillafan]

I guess all this lnb talk and tuning issues is helping me alot as I am going to have all these issues shortly after I fix the 9e and tune - that will show how good the 10/1 works

After that it will be playing with the system to get 10/9 within the 10/1

and then adding the 2nd 10/1 and inputting 42/42/5w and anything I have missed and then feed both 10/1 into a emp 4/1.

more updates to follow - showly getting there


cheers

 

[Huevos]

I have another question (sorry for putting it in this tread): I have 3 SAT tuners in my DM8k, and what I do is changing satelites.xml by creating in that file fake satellites like
<sat name="Astra (28.2E)A" flags="0" position="281">
<sat name="Astra (28.2E)B" flags="0" position="282">
<sat name="Astra (28.2E)C" flags="0" position="283">
all the frequencies within those sats are the same, but now tuner A looks within Astra (28.2E)A and so on. Am I doing that right, or there is another way how to manage settings?

Ok, but what is the point? Also, if you are using a DiSEqC motor the motor gets sent to the position contained in the satellites.xml, so configuring it like that means a passive LNB configured as second LNB on motorised dish could never work.

 

[RimaNTSS]

Ok, but what is the point?

Point is, I like to decide which tuner (one of 3) is going to show me picture and from which LNB. In my case tuner A will be configured to all fixed LNBs, and tuners B and C will have to operate 1,5m and 1,8m polar-mounted prime-focus antennas. That is simply my level of ambition.
Completely out of topic: If there are any Norwegians- Happy Constitutional Day! (I just had couple of glasses of vine and aquavit for that event)
P.S. And, sorry for Norwegian achievement on hockey today.

 

[Huevos]

Point is, I like to decide which tuner (one of 3) is going to show me picture and from which LNB. In my case tuner A will be configured to all fixed LNBs, and tuners B and C will have to operate 1,5m and 1,8m polar-mounted prime-focus antennas.

Well it's not a very user friendly solution because you end up with 3 satellites and 3 copies of every channel for each real satellite. This will completely muck up any chance of the receiver working properly, especially when it comes to the software managing records, etc. Wouldn't it be easier to just set tuner A as prefered? Or just priority as auto and then it will always use tuner A because that is the one that receives the fewest satellites.

 

[A nonymous]

This will completely muck up any chance of the receiver working properly

That sort of setup used to work fine with my old Vu+ Duo, abeit with only 2 tuners.

OK it only used 4 sat positions on tuner 2 and a DISEqC motor on Tuner 1, but either way it worked fine.

If i was recording from tuner 1 (motorised dish) it would just switch to tuner 2 (diseqc) and switch to one of the 4 pre-programmed into it, and visa-vers if i was recording from tuner 2 on the diseqc switch it would just move the dish on tuner 1.

I cannot see there being any problem aslong as you set up each tuner individually

My Vu+ Duo worked fine with that setup

 

[Huevos]

I cannot see there being any problem aslong as you set up each tuner individually

My box has to be user friendly as all the family use it. With mine I just press record from the EPG. No need to think what aerial the box is going to use. That's what the receiver software is for.

 

[RimaNTSS]

For family nothing changes, they still open list of channels like "Cartoons" and in that bouquet all channels are from Tuner A, so works as usually. The only difficult is setting up all system, but with that family has nothing to do, that is my hobby :-Nooo . And one more thing, my better-half can survive without watching TV at all for a long time :-worship

 

[A nonymous]

Thats what the Virgin media box was invented for. My wife doesn't go anywhere near my sat stuff.

Both she and the kids just use the Virgin Media cable box

 

[Huevos]

my better-half can survive without watching TV at all for a long time :-worship

My wife doesn't go anywhere near my sat stuff.

These posts remind me of the "I don't wear a seat belt because I'm a good driver" mentality. Personally I want my viewing experience to be as transparent as possible. If something is being recorded I still want to be able to zap through my regular channels without thinking about it, and not have to think how to sidestep the way I configured the box or whether to pull out one cable and plug in another. TBH I really don't get it. Why not configure the software properly in the first place and then just leave it up to the software to do the right thing when necessary.

And even more strange, why buy a receiver with 3 tuners and then configure it as if it were 3 separate units? For me the whole point of having my 4 tuner receiver is to give a seamless experience under all conditions.

 

[Topper]

These posts remind me of the "I don't wear a seat belt because I'm a good driver" mentality. .

Unfortunately there seem to be an ever increasing number of those types of people in this world, who also hold a mobile phone to their ears whilst turning sharp corners

 

[A nonymous]

Oh sorry Huevos, did i not mention the Virgin Media box is a Tivo, where i can watch one channel while recording another two

You can't get much more transparent than that can you

We use the VM box for watching the TV and i use my sat stuff to play with, its what keeps the hobby interesting, it also keeps SHMBO happy as i can mess around to my hearts content while she can watch her soaps

 

[RimaNTSS]

Why not configure the software properly in the first place and then just leave it up to the software to do the right thing when necessary.

Agree with that. Perhaps I do not know something here, especially about prioritization of tuners. Lets imagine you have one bouquet with Channel1 and Channel2, those 2 channels belong to one satellite but different frequencies. Somebody is watching Channel1 and do not want to be disturbed. At the same time you have decided to record Channel2 or just simply stream it to your PC. The question is: How the software will decide to show you Channel2 not from tuner A, to which it was assigned but from tuner B? I see solution in this situation only by creating another bouquet with Channel1 and Channel2, but assigned to tuner B. Or there is different way of solving that?

 

[BM300]

Just to make it clear (or even more confused): I have cascaded dieseqc 1/4 (closer to reciever) and than several diseqc 1/10 (closer to antenna) and in DM settings have put Uncommited-Commited, and it works no probs.

Very interesting.
So you are using the 1/4 DiseqC switch to to switch between the 1/10 switches (just like a relay switch).

Could you please list the set up on the 1/4 switch.

 

[RimaNTSS]

Could you please list the set up on the 1/4 switch.

Setup is like this (attached pictures): Commited DiseqC command- AB means second input of diseqc 1/4, than Uncommited DiseqC command - 10 means input #10 of diseqc 1/10. Do not for get, this will work only if 1/10 Diseqc programmed to Modus5.

 

[BM300]

Setup is like this (attached pictures): Commited DiseqC command- AB means second input of diseqc 1/4, than Uncommited DiseqC command - 10 means input #10 of diseqc 1/10. Do not for get, this will work only if 1/10 Diseqc programmed to Modus5.

Many thanks for an excellent explanation.
Is there any delay in response, since it has to go trough 2 diseqC switches?
And is there any signal loss (more noticeable on weaker transponders) due to including more connections?
Regards
BM300

 

[Huevos]

Ok Rima,

Priority: You can set one tuner as prefered, but lets forget that for the time being and imagine all the tuners are set to auto. In auto the highest priority tuner is the one with the fewest satellites configured. In theory that's going to be the T90. That tuner will always be chosen first whatever the task.

Recording: Someone is watching tv and you want to start a recording. Go into the EPG, highlight the program you want to record and press the record button. If the program is current the recording will start on the first available tuner without changing channel. If the program is in the future the recording will start as and when, on the first available tuner. Now exit the EPG and continue watching the original program on the original tuner.

Streaming: Someone is watching tv and you want to start streaming. Open WebIf and go through your channel list and find what you want to watch. Click on the TV icon next to the program and streaming will start (using the first available tuner). The person watching TV will be unaffected.

 

[RimaNTSS]

Thanks Huevos. Could you explain in this scenario: I am watching Channel1 and decide to record it, after recording starts I decide to watch Channel2 from same satellite but different frequency. Dream simply says there are no free tuner and no options. Maybe this is because I already have this complicated setup?
2BM300: Yes, sometimes there is delay, about a second. Signal loss- of course, but knowing that signals are strong nowadays this is no problem.

 

[Huevos]

Could you explain in this scenario: I am watching Channel1 and decide to record it, after recording starts I decide to watch Channel2 from same satellite but different frequency.

Yes it is because of your setup. But if you set up like mine you have 2 options.

1) You are watching channel 1, press record and then switch to channel 2. Recording is on tuner A. Viewing on tuner B.
2) Switch to channel 2 first. Press EPG highlight channel 1 and press record. Recording is on tuner B. Viewing on tuner A.

 

[Huevos]

Is there any delay in response, since it has to go trough 2 diseqC switches?

It is more or less the same as zapping a normal channel. Have a look here (2x Spaun uncommited and 1x Spaun committed in cascade).

[video=youtube;GQft0sUNA5s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQft0sUNA5s[/video]

is there any signal loss (more noticeable on weaker transponders) due to including more connections?

My meter shows zero difference in signal to noise (Spaun switches) and a minute difference in gross signal (maybe equivelent to a couple of meters of cable).