I got the VU centre frontend, but after I'd downloaded the dcc app, VU centre launched with errors, and id already fumbled through dcc while downloading vu cc ( which i got from your post, and i must thankyou for ) so I continued under the advice from H, I'd rather use something easy so am looking forward to an English working application. Tonight I'm happy to have got the cccam going as I thought it to be alchemy.. Not that you were having a dig, just trying like buggery to remember file transfer protocol, it's been years since I had time to fiddle with such things