Quattro Koaxcable

[Irishmale]

Hi people, my first post here in your forum & i hope not the last!!!!

Let me give you a little idea of what i am trying to do here & what equipment i have......Am trying to use Astra 19,2 & Astra 28,5 from one dish(85cm) here in Germany. Have bought a multifeed holder with the ca.9cm difference needed to get both signals once the LNBs are fixed, have a 5 in 2 out DISEqC 2.0 switch & a Katrein UFS 732 reciever. Plan to buy a Kathrein UFS 910 this weekend so that i can eventually enjoy HDTV.

Now to my problem......my intension was to run a quattro koax cable (ca. 15m) to my bedroom window, into the switch which will be located next to the window frame & then take 2 single koax cables into the appartment. One will run about 3m to the Kathrein 732 in the bedroom & the other cable will run about a further 10m to the livingroom when i hope to enjoy HDTV using my new reciever. Up to that planning point i was sure what i was doing even if i had a few suprises in store for myself, until i was in my local sat shop this morning & one nice German sales man told me my plan was very much possible & then the next one told me it wasnt possible, he said the quattro cable wouldnt carry the signal well enough.

Can someone give me some advice in my own language & maybe tell me what i am planning, right or wrong.........the dish is on the roof of a six story house & as a chef whose feet are normally on the ground permanently i would like to only have to go out on the thing only once as you may understand.
Ok thanks in advance, as i say after my research i think the only problem is deciding if i run 4 single cables down the back of my landlords house or if i run one single one with the 4 inside;).........am sure from my landlords point of view you will be able to guess what he wants!!!;)

 

[Topper]

Welcome to the forum Irishmale

Ok so I have to say I am a little confused as you want 2 lnb's 9 deg apart to get you 19.2 and 28.2 OK with that, why a 5 to 2 diseqc switch?
I assume you are using two twin output lnb's first of all this will allow you to use twin tuner equipment allowing you to record one and watch another or are you not interested in recording? If not then keep to singles. But then you would only have two cables from the lnbs to a switch not 4 or five.

I don't recommend using quad cable it becomes very inflexible and difficult to route from the little experience I have of multicables. Stick with a good quality sat cable CT 100 or equivalent. Even if the landlord insists on it being hidden in trunking

As for setting up I an sure even a professional installer will make more than one journey from dish to stb's

 

[Irishmale]

Ok, i am trying to feed 2 recievers with 2 Astra signals 19.2 & 28.5. Want to have the full programme option in my bedroom as well as in the livingroom.
As i asked my local sat dealer here in Germany what i needed, he told me i needed 2 twin LNBs so that each reciever gets a signal from both satellites. The switch has an input for Terestrial TV which i will not use, then i have Input LNB A & LNB B leading to a singal output. The idea being i connect 1 cable coming from then LNB facing Astra 1 to Input LNB A & then 1 cable pointing to Astra 2 to Input LNB B. My out put then goes to the TV in the bedroom. I should repeat it again & connect it to the TV in the livingroom.
Recording is not an issue for me. My priority is to have both English & German stations available in both the bedroom & the livingroom.
The statement with the 9° apart is what i was told i would need as its the distance difference between Astra 19.2 & Astra 28.5. Sat dealer said i need to place the LNB for Astra 28.5 approx.10cm right from my fixed LNB for Astra 19.2 as i stand infront of the dish & approx 1 cm higher to get the best reception out of the system.
Hope its a little clearer but after all i am only an Irish farmer at heart

 

[Topper]

No that sounds fine, but I was concerned about the recording aspect but if you are not needing it then two twins will be fine.

I still would advise four single cables.

Your cows and sheep must have run very fast then hijacked a ship to get to Germany from Ireland Or are you just commuting to the farm everyday ;)

 

[rolfw]

I would be more inclined to have Astra 28.2 as the main focus, with 19.2 as the offset, then cable to behind the dish where the 2 DiseqC switches should be placed, then run a twin or two single cables into the house.

 

[Irishmale]

Your cows and sheep must have run very fast then hijacked a ship to get to Germany from Ireland Or are you just commuting to the farm everyday ;)

I think they hijacked one of those dodgy planes from Lufthansa!!!! Well trained in dads army
So thanks lads for all youtr tips, hope i can help some of you with questions on the Diablo card & Astra 19,2.........

Is it not better to have the switch indoors??? Not sure how they react to minus 8-9 in the winter????

 

[Irishmale]

So Gentlemen,
I would like to thank you all greatly for your help over the last few days & for your tips. Got out on the roof this morning & had the 2 LNBs in place & recieving a signal in no time. Then i ran a quattro cable under the roof tiles & then through a cable pipe to the appartment window where i connected it to the switch.(no fear of the switch getting cold here during the cold German winter)
So now all i have to do is enjoy the FTA english stations & allow my loving girlfriend enjoy her German stations. Your help has saved me a few arguments!!!!!

 

[rolfw]

Temperature makes little or no difference to DiseqC switches, only water ingress would damage them, we have members in much colder places than Northern Germany using them.

 

[Irishmale]

Hi Guys,
So after a few years, here i am again with a setup problem!!! Having moved house i am now trying to improve my system & of course i am having problems!!!!!
So the new system is as follows:
Fuba osp 904 9in/4out multischalter
Fuba dish (85cm)
2 Quattro Universal Lnbs
Kathrein UFS910
Dreambox 800

Now to my problem....having completed a sat scan on both sats i am only recieving 1099 channels.... Astra 19,2 as the main focus has a signal of about 64% (RTL HD) whereas Astra 28,2 is only recieving a signal of no more than 40% on selected channels.....
a few are:
Sky Sports1 HD34%
Sky Sports2 HD
ESPN AmrcaHD34%
RTE One 39%
RTE Two

Now to my question......is it maybe a problem with the setup of the dish its-self or is it a problem with the multischalter???

Any tips`???

 

[rolfw]

You need to use Astra 28.2 as the main focus, particularly for the BBCs and ITV channels.

 

[Irishmale]

Thats the thing....up to yesterday the system worked perfectly(signal strenght of nearly 85% on Astra1 & between 70 & 50% on Astra2) on the old house. Only difference was the fact that i had instead of the quattro lnb 2 twin lnbs & another multischalter. Can the quattro lnbs/fuba multiswitch make such a difference??

 

[Irishmale]

ok it seems that i am not getting the verticle transponders in.......any ideas or tips on how i can solve this??

 

[rolfw]

Are your incoming cables in the correct ports? Try swapping the two vertical inputs around.

 

[Irishmale]

All cables are ok...just tried changing them around but it only made things worse.....
Could it be that the dish is a few cm out of line??? Or that the quattros dont like the multiswitch???

 

[rolfw]

Quattros are designed for multiswitches, easy way to test is take the Vertical High off the switch and connect direct to the cable to the receiver, whilst selecting a channel on vertical high, if it's fine then, it could be a problem with the switch.

 

[Terryl]

And I hope you powered the receiver down with the switch in back (or unplugged it from the wall) before messing with the sat switch, the switch can/could be damaged internally if the receiver is not totally off when you remove the coax from it.

Some switches (but not all) can be damaged this way and you wont know what happened, there is still DC power (on some receivers) on the coax to the LNB when you power down with the receivers remote.

 

[rolfw]

Most multiswitches are pretty much bulletproof Terry, the installer has no control over what is being connected and disconnected in commercial installations, so they have to be.