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Just a note on Shannon Volmet on 8957 kHz. That is an aviation weather broadcast, not Air Traffic Control talking to planes. Volmet stations use automated voices to read out weather conditions at various airports. Best reception of Shannon Volmet in the UK and Ireland will probably be on 5450 and 3413 kHz. RAF Volmet is on 5505.

Shannon (Shanwick) ATC has various frequencies including 5598 and 5649 kHz which can be heard well during the day and night in Ireland, but of course only when they are conducting communications with planes.

The 8992 frequency that the SDR is tuned to is one of the High Frequency Global Communications System frequencies used by the US Air Force.

True, and another Shannon air control station also comes in nicely on 6622kHz. Neighboring frequencies have flight audio
communications from time to time. Good to know.
By the way, I turned on an ACARS decoder for a night (a while ago) and got many messages. For example an
Ethiopian airlines flight somewhere in Ethiopia which was in contact with a ground station in iceland.
 

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I've dabbled a bit in LW, MW & SW DXing myself over the years. The big problem over the last 20 years or so has been the increasing amount of man-made interference that was already at excessive levels, mostly from cheap Chinese made electronics that pretty much crap on every first-world regulation regarding causing harmful interference to other electronics but where local regulators (like Ofcom in the UK) have done sweet FA to try and address. I've built my own tuned loop aerials/antennas for long wave & medium wave reception (as opposed to the untuned loops by deeptho) as well as the "mini-whip" based on the work of Dutch amateur PA0RDT and both work very well when man-made interference is not that big of an issue - when such interference is an issue, the directional properties of a loop aerial/antenna can be helpful, but even in some very difficult conditions it can be pretty much impossible to overcome - that's why many still involved in the hobby get mobile and go out listening in local parks, fields etc. well away from (mostly) interference caused by mains AC powered devices.

But as for what's on the bands themselves, the blunt truth is that very few people are still listening to broadcasts on LW & MW these days (with some very odd exceptions), partly because of interference (both the man-made mentioned above as well as other transmitters interfering co-channel & adjacent channel) and partly because of sound quality. In the latter case, most modern audiences in the western world don't want a muffled, mono station** to listen to music if they can help it - it's still tolerable for speech based stations, but those transmissions are also in the process of getting wound down as the costs of broadcasting on multiple platforms bite into costs. Recent data in the UK seems to suggest that stations switching off their MW transmissions to be available only on DAB have not seen any significant difference in their audience figures according to the quarterly RAJAR publications, so it's an easy cut to make where you don't appear to lose any listeners, especially as the cost per listener for AM broadcasts is now higher than all other terrestrial platforms.

Finally WRT the three TXs on 198 kHz - in theory, synchronised networks (as they are often referred to) if done correctly, there should be no interference by receiving more than one TX of the same programme on the same frequency but this is very difficult to do. In practice, even with the best of technical efforts there will be "mush zones" where two or more signals on the same frequency of the same programme will come to the receiver at very slightly different times giving an echo effect if the difference is very small, but if the time gap is significant (for example, the programme it the transmitter sites is not properly synchronised to go out at the exact same time) this can range from the sound being very muffled right up to as if someone is just repeating what they've already said about 0.1-1 seconds later.

This is why the BBC Radio 4 LW network has a few low powered MW fillers in places where two of the LW transmitters can be received with similar strengths to overcome this problem. There are similar synchronised networks in place for BBC Radio 5 Live & TalkSport, but they have an advantage of having two high-powered MW frequencies each meaning that the distances between TXs on the same frequency can be further apart with another TX on the other frequency used on another TX between the other two, solving much of the "mush zone" issues although some still exist. As a result during daytime, reception is fine in most cases except well outside the service areas of the transmitters, but at night it is still important to make sure that TXs on the same frequencies are well synchronised, otherwise co-channel reception from another TX in the chain can ruin reception even in an otherwise strong (groundwave) signal location.
Yes, while it is possible to get suprisingly good audio quality, it is not easy to achieve it in all cases and "working out of the box" and it depends a lot on conditions. Many options are available now to achieve better quality. DRM could solve the quality problems partially, but does not seem to become widely used.

The real value of medium and long wave could be in emergency situations: wide coverage with one transmitter (of course assumes that the transmitter will still function during the emergency), cheap receivers available (even 30 year old ones still work), which can work for a long time on batteries (do DAB radios have long battery life? Don't know).

Of course, except for some enthusiasts (caroline, pirate stations, low power AM), broadcasts will gradually end for economic
reasons. In some sense that makes dx-ing more interesting because strong interfering signals disappear.

For short wave, there may actually be a revival, because it is the fastest way to get signals between continents (compared
to undersea cable and satellite), and this has come to the attention of flash traders who now want to get their hands on some of the spectrum.

PS: DAB and DVBT reception is not very good here. One reason is fewer transmitters, lower powers and less ideal frequencies. An added problem is slow channel changing on DAB. So it is definitely not all progress.
 

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It seems that Africa will use MW for some time,given the immensity of countries there... and satellite too!
Here at night we get Maghreb full blast,plus the remaining Spanish repeaters,still there!
Algeria still happy with 252 LW,very nice to have when driving through Spain...
 

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It seems that Africa will use MW for some time,given the immensity of their nations...
Algeria still runs 252 on LW,very convenient when driving through Spain,Spanish radio being over-repetitive!

The main point of MW & LW is when you re driving,like BBC4 LW in France until Limoges that is.
France Inter was available in half of Europe....
And why have they given up 648MW for world service? WS was ideal for driving,especially at night,were they not aware of this?.
Any chance of picking up satellite on car radios?Ever?
 

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648 MW is used by Radio Caroline in the UK and is receivable in northern France. They're on half power at the moment for some reason though.
 

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Wonderful,I used to listen to them when I was in North France
I am now in Carcassonne 900ks to the south.
I got Caroline 648 once in winter here very weak...The World Service was much stronger of course!
And only home reception because Slovenia is there too(Ljublijana),so I must null them off to get Caroline!

We do get Capital gold on MW when night comes ,1548,more in the cold season of course!
Works in the car too!
 

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Wonderful,I used to listen to them when I was in North France
I am now in Carcassonne 900ks to the south.
I got Caroline 648 once in winter here very weak...The World Service was much stronger of course!
And only home reception because Slovenia is there too(Ljublijana),so I must null them off to get Caroline!

We do get Capital gold on MW when night comes ,1548,more in the cold season of course!
Works in the car too!
I thought 1548khz was being switched off at the end of August? Has it had a reprieve from the death sentence?
 

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"I thought 1548khz was being switched off at the end of August? Has it had a reprieve from the death sentence?"

I will try tonight...from Carcassonne
maybe someone nearer to Blighty could,right now!
 

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I know a lorry driver who told me he had driven across the continent to northern Italy doing overnights. He said he had Capital Gold with him all the way down there. That was in the early 90s and I picked up 5Live on the Croatian coast too a couple of years ago. Although that was through a lot of static/occasional interference even away from the hotel.
 

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any hair radio north spain ?
 

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any hair radio north spain ?
Hair radio? Haidresser network?Not that I know.:p
Radio on MW from spain ,yes as soon as night comes,dozens of repetitions/relays of 2 or 3 "cadenas",channels,Radio Nacional de Espania(state radio),Radio Cinco (news) Radio Cope, SER(both private)
Very talky and repetitive like LBC in UK....The "good" stations are FM only,or online.
Still the old MW network ,an old radio dial would give the cities emitting the signals.
Link to 738,Barcelona frequency,works daytime in Occitania,though weaker than before...https://www.mwlist.org/mwlist_quick_and_easy.php?area=1&kHz=738
 
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I know a lorry driver who told me he had driven across the continent to northern Italy doing overnights. He said he had Capital Gold with him all the way down there. That was in the early 90s and I picked up 5Live on the Croatian coast too a couple of years ago. Although that was through a lot of static/occasional interference even away from the hotel.
same for me driving through France & neighbouring areas...LBC,Radio5 too...but less interesting lol!
 

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The lbc from lebanon how level signal you stability all day ?
 

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Hair radio? Haidresser network?Not that I know.:p
Radio on MW from spain ,yes as soon as night comes,dozens of repetitions/relays of 2 or 3 "cadenas",channels,Radio Nacional de Espania(state radio),Radio Cinco (news) Radio Cope, SER(both private)
Very talky and repetitive like LBC in UK....The "good" stations are FM only,or online.
Still the old MW network ,an old radio dial would give the cities emitting the signals.
Link to 738,Barcelona frequency,works daytime in Occitania,though weaker than before...https://www.mwlist.org/mwlist_quick_and_easy.php?area=1&kHz=738
Don't split hairs.
 

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The lbc from lebanon how level signal you stability all day ?
Radio from the UK

mahatat 'iidhaeiat min biritanya aleuzmaa.

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i was think from uk receiver radio from lbc
from my recive400k from nicosa receiver radio haifa from israel only in summer from maybe august
 
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