Advice Needed Receivers with the lowest Symbol Rate?

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It would be interesting to see how low aTBS6902/6904se can lock, just to know of the Montage tuner's real limit.

You should know that tbs6902se/6904se(M88RS6060) doesn't work under 1000, but between 1~45Msymb/s.
And yet with Crazyscan I locked 939 Ks at 23.5E
With Deeptho's driver I locked symbol rate under 1000 on 12620 V, 890.
Also with this driver I almost managed to lock symbol rate of 555 ks on 11014 H.
The chances of locking low symbol rate below 1000 with Deeptho's driver are higher than under Windows.
 

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This is just to show that sometimes a tuner's abilities go beyond what's on paper. Availink is also unable to lock below 1000 officially, however it can go lower. The question is how stable the tuner performs on such low SR and how much it takes for locking.
Availink in this sense becomes unsuccessful on Enigma2 receivers, because there are cases where it can go as low as 450, but needs almost 2 minutes to show signal. This makes channel scanning unapplicable, since E2 code has a much sorter scan time out.
So, Montage should show a similar behaviour with the correct driver.
In any case Silabs outperforms both when it comes to very low SR.
 

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Another one, this time from C-band (SR 400).

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Turkish radio ok on 42e with SR400
( OS mini 4k TNAP5.1 )
But you should not be in a hurry, 1 min for before listening radio

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Where can i find the TNAP 5.1 for edision os mini ? I have there at the moment satdream10.
 

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In the topic of osmini
 

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@EnoSat i tried to do download from the index and its not working
If someone has os mini TNAP 5.1 edision can please send me email the file?
Thanks in advance to put via usb.
 

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i tried with another brower and its ok many thanks
i am trying to find some information for greece and motorised dish 2.40
i think for south eastern i am ok for technician to make it from 30w - 62e ... i do not want the dish ... to fall to the floor~
 

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While using MODCODE, Silabs is almost unusable :oops:
Aren't we talking about low SRs though? Yes, Silabs cannot cope with certain modcodes, so I guess we can't have everything...
 

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TNAP 5.1 uses a specially modified Availink driver that has the 1000 SR lowest limit range removed from the firmware. This allows the tuner to tune freely below 1000, but how fast and stable is up to its hardware capabilities. The lower it gets, the harder it is to lock any signal in a reasonable time.
Can someone try TNAP 5.1 with 11696 V DVB-S/QPSK 185 3/4 Radio Mars on 30W? I don't think it could ever handle that...
 

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Personally untli now i have not managed anything yet. I installed the image i have tried all combinations drivers but turksat radio
is no locking. I do not know if i am doing any mistake ...
 

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Personally untli now i have not managed anything yet. I installed the image i have tried all combinations drivers but turksat radio
is no locking. I do not know if i am doing any mistake ...
You could try changing the LNB as the cheapest first step
 

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My contribution for now...
 

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Interesting, can rs6060 lock Antenne Düsseldorf 104,2 on 23E 12647 V DVB-S/QPSK SR:285 7/8?
 

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No lock, lowest so far is 667 Symbol rate
 
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