Advice Needed Setting up 16E Eutelsat with 1 Metre dish in UK

[Captain Jack]

hi ppl im in uk and having issues with 16e on my 1.2m cm sat dish please help thanks

You need a bigger dish. Size matters.

 

[danaddison]

My dish is a channel master 1.2 metre, ill have u know its big enough!!

You need a bigger dish. Size matters.

 

[mapperuo]

My dish is a channel master 1.2 metre, ill have u know its big enough!!

Not for 16e it isn't if your wanting feeds. I have a 1.8m and on a rainy day, some BBC/Sky feeds won't lock.

 

[danaddison]

well thats odd because i sent some in the uk the feed for london nye and they locked on right away using there Technomate 90cm standard dish which is smaller than mine, and i couldn't lock on or find it so how does a bigger dish work? then??

i just found this feed on Astra 23.5E

11512 H 4937
CRO-003

 

[mapperuo]

well thats odd because i sent some in the uk the feed for london nye and they locked on right away using there Technomate 90cm standard dish which is smaller than mine, and i couldn't lock on or find it so how does a bigger dish work? then??

i just found this feed on Astra 23.5E

11512 H 4937
CRO-003

Sounds like it's not aligned if you were comparing the exact same feed at the same time, bigger the dish the more aligned it needs to be.

 

[Analoguesat]

A bigger dish has a narrower angle of acceptance for the signals. Bigger dishes are MUCH more trouble to set up accurately. Feeds are also often transmitted at lower powers than the broadcast stations - the guys who do serious feed hunting often have 1.8m dishes or bigger so they can lock the weak signals.

And before you ask why are feeds transmitted at lower powers - simple - the broadcasters dont want you watching them

 

[danaddison]

you say that but i can get feeds on 28.2e with no issues, i did just pick up this feed on Astra 23.5E 11512 H 4937 CRO-003, which is good and i am able to pick up channels on 23.5e, 16e and astra 28.2e on my cm 1.2m dish so cant be that much of an issue can there? just for some reason i cant pick up 0.8w, 10e, 7e, 33e etc which is annoying can u help me please? i cant find anyone in the uk who can come and align it correctly for me

 

[Analoguesat]

Some birds have different footprints in use. 16E has always been a bit of a strange location - some signals are much weaker than others. 28E is optimised for the UK (ignoring the west african & middle east beams which are out of reach for Europe) so its not surprising the feeds are stronger than at other orbital locations.

If you cant get anyone to come & set the dish up for you then you need to learn to optimise it yourself. There are some excellent guides on how to set dishes up right here on this forum - spend some hours really studying them. One thing I do recommend - dont try to set dishes up in a rush - thats when you make mistakes & I learned the hard way when I crushed a thumb when a dish suddenly slipped down a pole a few years ago. It hurt for MONTHS......

 

[mapperuo]

you say that but i can get feeds on 28.2e with no issues, i did just pick up this feed on Astra 23.5E 11512 H 4937 CRO-003, which is good and i am able to pick up channels on 23.5e, 16e and astra 28.2e on my cm 1.2m dish so cant be that much of an issue can there? just for some reason i cant pick up 0.8w, 10e, 7e, 33e etc which is annoying can u help me please? i cant find anyone in the uk who can come and align it correctly for me

28.2e/23.5e and 0.8w from my experience are really easy to get feeds from, 1.2m will have no issue

10e/7e/33e I usually need 1.5m atleast to get everything reliably.

16e 1.8m will get everything on a good weather day.

 

[Analoguesat]

28.2e/23.5e and 0.8w from my experience are really easy to get feeds from, 1.2m will have no issue

10e/7e/33e I usually need 1.5m atleast to get everything reliably.

16e 1.8m will get everything on a good weather day.

There you go - thats your answer - you need to go MUCH bigger if you want all the feeds. And 1.8m dishes are MUCH more difficult to set up well as the acceptance angle of the dish is so much narrower than 1 / 1.2m

 

[Manikm909]

well thats odd because i sent some in the uk the feed for london nye and they locked on right away using there Technomate 90cm standard dish which is smaller than mine, and i couldn't lock on or find it so how does a bigger dish work? then??

i just found this feed on Astra 23.5E

11512 H 4937
CRO-003

Sort your alignment out

 

[mapperuo]

I should add, Im in Scotland so if your further South you'll obviously get away with a bit smaller

 

[mapperuo]

Sort your alignment out

I can literally push my 1.8m dish with my finger and see a difference of 1-2db, thats how much alignment matters @danaddison when dealing with bigger dishes. Its probably only moving mm's.

 

[danaddison]

i was able to pick up a news feed the same day on 16e but that was from either Russia or kiev so my alignment cant be that far off can it, but i sent someone on here londons nye sat feed that was on 16e and he was able to lock onto it without any issues on his 90cm sat dish from essex but i couldn't for some reason and im not that far from him (hes london im norfolk) and his dish is smaller than mine, but could be cause he was closer to london so might have been easyier to pick up than me, as far as i can tell my alignment is ok because im able to get some feeds on 23.5e, 28.2e but not all

 

[Manikm909]

what is your arc limit
what are your readings from central to extreme...
does your dish permit travel from 1w (aljeezera about 14.5db) -> 45e (24hd about 17db) - if you're around that mark, then your dish is well aligned.

 

[Lazarus]

Getting feeds on 23.5 and 28E bears little comparison to getting them on 16E as the former birds are far, far stronger in the UK, whereas the latter can prove tricky even for mainstream Channels. Apples and Pears.

One thing you might try is to adjust the stored Satellite position by a tenth of a degree at a time ie 16.0, 15.9, 15.8 etc to see whether reception improves (or otherwise).

 

[Analoguesat]

i was able to pick up a news feed the same day on 16e but that was from either Russia or kiev so my alignment cant be that far off can it, but i sent someone on here londons nye sat feed that was on 16e and he was able to lock onto it without any issues on his 90cm sat dish from essex but i couldn't for some reason and im not that far from him (hes london im norfolk) and his dish is smaller than mine, but could be cause he was closer to london so might have been easyier to pick up than me, as far as i can tell my alignment is ok because im able to get some feeds on 23.5e, 28.2e but not all

If you arent going to take our advice then there is no point us trying to help you Dan. You can be half a degree out on bigger dishes and THAT is enough to kill your reception of weak signals.

1) Yes you are close as you are getting some reception but close doesnt matter - you need to be spot on.
2) We have already told you 1.2m isnt big enough for the weaker feeds.

Where are you getting your feeds info from anyway - Dont rely on the satelliweb site they often only post the info AFTER the feeds have ceased.

 

[mapperuo]

Where are you getting your feeds info from anyway - Dont rely on the satelliweb site they often only post the info AFTER the feeds have ceased.

Yup I would almost say ignore most of them, Stanely comes on every morning and goes mad posting every single feed he has seen for years - or so it seems - most of them are never on.

EDIT: No Sky or BBC feeds, or anything really I can see on 16e right now - will check again closer to 6pm BBC news so you can have a feed to try catch.

 

[mapperuo]

@danaddison

Try find this feed thats currently on 16e - 12523 H 4800

I imagine it will be active for an hour or so, good load of time to try align up

 

[Channel Hopper]

I can literally push my 1.8m dish with my finger and see a difference of 1-2db, thats how much alignment matters @danaddison when dealing with bigger dishes. Its probably only moving mm's.

Just one of the reasons commercial systems recommend a post that is somewhat larger in diameter than domestic installs.
A 1.8m dish should be fitted with a pole of 125mm (5" in old money).

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