Sky Glass

[Offtensive]

Found this review, recording and playback doesn't look much fun. Having to pay for Disney+ to watch anything recorded from National Geographic is crap. I guess the same applies for Discovery channels and Discovery+.

The demo starts about 3 minutes in.

I assume that means it won’t be too long until they stop sky q subscribers from recording non-sky content too.

 

[Analoguesat]

OMG what a complete pile of pants that Glass UI is.

 

[ozumo]

Response from Sky after someone asked if recording National Geographic requires a Disney+ subscription:

"Hello again , I have spoke to the Sky Glass experts and they have advised. Because it is a steaming service you no longer have it as a recording so unless you watch it live you would need have the subscription for the broadcaster that owns the licence . In this case Disney+ I hope that helps"

Sky Q without a dish it most certainly is not

 

[Lazarus]

"Because it is a steaming service" .......

How true!

 

[Adam792]

same as us then,28 fta terrestrial
but in bigger cities,they took away the yagi aerials ,
so people MUST subscribe to one of the providers..
and most buildings with communal services BAN people from using sat dishes... strange world
Back in thatcher (mitterrand/chirac for us)years,Canal plus had huge ad campaings "la parabole est gratuite" that appealed to kids...
And,then,immigrants put out dishes,so the dish became an "anti-well'to-do" symbol among the upwardly mobile rat-racers!
When I got my 1st sat dish,,colleagues & neighbours believed I wanted to watch Algeria!

IPTV (a proper multicast "broadcast" service via an ISP, rather than over the top unicast) does seem to be very popular and competitive in France.

I've just experienced this staying in a flat in Strasbourg over the last week. There were some UHF and VHF antennas on the roof, which presumably date back to pre-DSO (UHF and VHF Band III antennas pointing at Strasbourg/Nordheim and a vertical UHF antenna pointing at Strasbourg/Port-du-Rhin), however something must have broken as the TV got no signal from the antenna socket except a very pixellated R7 (TF1 Séries Films etc). As the flat had a Freebox though, all the regular TNT channels and loads of extra "basic package" channels came through that via IP with no problem. I imagine the same applies to the other apartments in the building, so there's no push for the communal antenna service to be fixed!

With a small indoor antenna I couldn't pick up French TNT at all, just the two DVB-T2 multiplexes from the ARD-SWR across the border (for some reason there was no signal for the ZDF ones)!

The recording service on the Freebox seemed to be free as long as you plugged a USB stick or some other storage into the box, which had no hard disk of its own. The Sky Glass thing of not allowing recording unless subscribed to the relevant provider sounds ridiculous.

 

[Channel Hopper]

Much of Europe receives the brand name Sky-X, which I read as a glorified Now TV (though there are posts relating to Sky Ticket), is it more comprehensive than Glass?

 

[rodscha]

my father who lives in Toulouse also has one of the "boxes" ,there was i=an Internet break down,as usual a building site somewhere in town
He tried to connect the Yagi,and the learv=ned the installer massively took away the yagis,or cut connections in city buildings!
Here,my own house,i rarely use the "box" because the remote is flimsy & uses batteries every 3 days.
In case the DTT transmitter fails i know it s there...
So,quite a racket,forcing people to buy an internet access jst to watch FTA tv!!
True when you subscribe to Internet+mobile+landline,the "box" costs 3 euros a month,so everyone takes it!!
Right it 's pretty cheap....until now

 

[rodscha]

IPTV (a proper multicast "broadcast" service via an ISP, rather than over the top unicast) does seem to be very popular and competitive in France.

I've just experienced this staying in a flat in Strasbourg over the last week. There were some UHF and VHF antennas on the roof, which presumably date back to pre-DSO (UHF and VHF Band III antennas pointing at Strasbourg/Nordheim and a vertical UHF antenna pointing at Strasbourg/Port-du-Rhin), however something must have broken as the TV got no signal from the antenna socket except a very pixellated R7 (TF1 Séries Films etc). As the flat had a Freebox though, all the regular TNT channels and loads of extra "basic package" channels came through that via IP with no problem. I imagine the same applies to the other apartments in the building, so there's no push for the communal antenna service to be fixed!

With a small indoor antenna I couldn't pick up French TNT at all, just the two DVB-T2 multiplexes from the ARD-SWR across the border (for some reason there was no signal for the ZDF ones)!

The recording service on the Freebox seemed to be free as long as you plugged a USB stick or some other storage into the box, which had no hard disk of its own. The Sky Glass thing of not allowing recording unless subscribed to the relevant provider sounds ridiculous.

the Yagi was disconnected by the guys who installed the "boxes" ,simple as that!

 

[Adam792]

the Yagi was disconnected by the guys who installed the "boxes" ,simple as that!

That’s really poor behaviour on their part to be cutting the antenna connection.

The IP “boxes” do seem to have a UHF input which allows you to tune the TNT channels via an antenna, and then the interface on the box allows you to prioritise a “source” for each channel from 1-27 (TNT or IP), presumably because the TNT version is slightly better in terms of picture quality.

However, apparently even though the newer Free boxes are DVB-T2 compatible, they will not store the cross-border German services on a scan - you see the channels in the scan result but they are not mapped anywhere, making watching them impossible. Curious when Free charge a few euros per month for a selection of these same German channels via IP!

For Orange, supposedly these extra channels are saved in a “chaînes frontalières” section in the channel list and are viewable, but only in areas with Spanish/Belgian/Italian/Channel Islands overspill where DVB-T is used as T2 isn’t supported by their box.

Presumably Sky Glass is doing something similar in that the Freeview channels can be mapped to use either their IP source or an aerial feed version if available! I wonder how it handles Irish and French overspill. I don’t think these providers should be allowed to filter out free to air channels that happen to be cross border.

 

[ozumo]

Are they disconnecting the aerial connection and using that coax to distribute the internet connection in the building?

I notice in Germany the Sky Q IPTV box they provide is advertised as not being able to record. The prices seem more reasonable too, especially if you don't require Bundesliga football.

On the Sky help forum someone said they were able to use the 'watch from start' function on ITV and the programme played back like a recording of the linear channel including the advert breaks, but after it had finished it reverted to the ITV Hub version.

 

[ozumo]

Presumably Sky Glass is doing something similar in that the Freeview channels can be mapped to use either their IP source or an aerial feed version if available!

The DVB-T2 on Sky Glass only becomes active when there is no internet connection available, (you can't even select it as a separate input while connected). I don't know if it then integrates into the Sky software or operates separately.

 

[ozumo]

This is the only photo I could find of the Freeview, not integrated at all.

 

[rodscha]

people who want German TV in France (or anywhere in the European area,will find a personal dish very useful...
astra 19E and a very complete,high quality service...
BUT because of the providers ' heavy propaganda,even some of my fellow Geman teachers didn 't know you could do this in France..so I told them
There is still the idea,a sat dish is for "immigrants"

 

[Channel Hopper]

The DVB-T2 on Sky Glass only becomes active when there is no internet connection available, (you can't even select it as a separate input while connected). I don't know if it then integrates into the Sky software or operates separately.

How would one receive local/regional services - available on both satellite and terrestrial - without unplugging the router ?

I wonder if Sky is attempting its own version of a TV licence for the UK, for a fully disconnected service and product......

 

[ozumo]

An external Freeview box would be needed for the local TV channels like London Live, so much for the all-in-one convenience!

There's a fair number of reports of FALD backlighting zones flickering, and to a lesser extent 'dirty screen effect', caused by inconsistent backlighting. The DSE was visible on some of the televisions at the launch event so I expect many just haven't noticed it yet.

 

[Channel Hopper]

An external Freeview box would be needed for the local TV channels like London Live, so much for the all-in-one convenience!It's a smokers

There's a fair number of reports of FALD backlighting zones flickering, and to a lesser extent 'dirty screen effect', caused by inconsistent backlighting. The DSE was visible on some of the televisions at the launch event so I expect many just haven't noticed it yet.

A smokers' TV then, ideal for pubs.

Oh wait !

 

[ozumo]

The pub version will have to have a satellite input for fear of public humiliation during live sport, similar to what Amazon & DAZN do.

 

[Offtensive]

The pub version will have to have a satellite input for fear of public humiliation during live sport, similar to what Amazon & DAZN do.

Sorry for going off topic, do amazon broadcast their epl games to pubs via satellite?

 

[ozumo]

Sorry for going off topic, do amazon broadcast their epl games to pubs via satellite?

BT Sport transmit it for them, or at least they used to:

BT Sport Brings Amazon's Premier League Coverage To Pubs

Deal with BT Sport overcomes the biggest technological barriers to bringing Amazon Prime Premier League to public venues

www.forbes.com

 

[ozumo]

Not only can some programmes not be watched on demand, there are some that can't even be shown on a linear channel