Anybody Got Tbs Card To View Pls Channels On 13E?

[Vipersan]

Excellent approach, VS.

Excellent.

Thanks for the encouragement G ..
I figured that since I have had many hours of use already ...the way to go might be a discounted replacement..
It seemed the fairest approach
I'm not greedy ..I just want a working system.
;)

 

[BlindFaith]

IMHO it's more important to know whether there are more cases and what causes the failure. A PC is a hostile environment ;) but in my case the PCIe card had suffient space in a rather big and cool pc case. It could be of course that the chip partly overheats when operating in direct hardware controlled mode, who knows..

 

[Vipersan]

Well ..in my case I'm a bit ovekill when it comes to cooling ..
...and I use a 600 watt psu so no power shortages in theory..
I learned from experience these cards _can_ run fairly hot ...a case in point was theold skystar card
..and so I have it placed in such a way that there is at least one vacant slot either side ...and the rear blanking plates for those vacant slots removed to allow extra air flow..
Also I have 2 extra case fans in play ...and no adjacent graphics card (known to generate a lot of heat) ...as my graphics card is integrated into the main board chipset..
I think I err'd on the side of overkill ..and can see no physical heat effect damage on the TBS6925 ..having removed it for inspection.
I guess it's more likely dried out electrolytic caps of which there are 4 visible inside the tuner enclosure ...or the use of non lead solder on the chips/components..
..known to cause problems long term.
rgds
VS

 

[CrazyCat]

Another question ...a bit off topic for Crazycat ..
I notice on the 'search standard' drop down box there appears to be an option for DCII ..
which I assume to be digicypher ..
Can the TBScard resolve DCII ?
I can't access many channels of this type ..but maybe a couple in Cband ..
I haven't tried it yet ..but am interested to know if fta DCII can be resolved.

stv090x support only DVBS/S2 and DSS. I extend StreamReaderEx API with exotic/future standards/modulation like DCII and DVB-C2 for future implementation (like Genpix devices and future DVB-C2). CrazyScan work with StreamReaderEx API and don't know many about active device - so show all standards (unsupported always work as autodetect).

 

[CrazyCat]

Probably the DVB-S2 Demodulator.. ..Now I use the USB box 5925 but before I had the PCIe version 6925 which was replaced 3 times cos of a broken demod!

I think brocken old STB6100 tuner. RFLevel reduced 10-20dBm.
Anyway TBS use EARDA NIM's with STB6100/STV090x and can't 100% response for this issue.

 

[Hixxy1]

Reworking/reballing gpus and bga chips is a good art. Won't go into it, but it's a steep learning curve and buying the correct pc controlled equipment makes a really big difference. Stay away from the cheap Chinese crap. Plenty of patience is a must.

Edit:
I'll get a bit into it. Had a go on a few dedicated Nvidia gpus. Each board and solder type makes a big difference. Don't heat it up enough and the solder wont reflow back onto the correct places. Meaning when you play a video game and the gpu gets hot and things start to flex then the solder conncections break and can sometimes rip the track up from the board. If you apply too much heat all the solder goes like water and the entire lot goes splat lol. Then it really is a rework pull the chip off job.

There's been a few times where someone's brought some equipment to me as well where the original repairers haven't used a jig the the board doesn't flex. That makes a huge difference.

If you'd like some heat putting onto your card VS, I can have a go as we've got some nice ir gear. It helps when you can input the chip size, board thickness solder type, etc into the programme and it sets everything up for you.

Hixxy

 

[BlindFaith]

I think brocken old STB6100 tuner. RFLevel reduced 10-20dBm.
Anyway TBS use EARDA NIM's with STB6100/STV090x and can't 100% response for this issue.

Seems unlikely to me. If it was the frontend, DVB-S should be effected as well but there was no loss in performance of DVB-S.

 

[Vipersan]

Good morning everyone ..and many thanks for your comments Crazycat..
Good to have you as a member ..
I'm sure it will please ,many members to know we have the creator of this superb software to help with questions etc.

On the issue of my particular problem ...I am now convinced it is a hardware issue with the TBS card as I have already stated ..and that I contacted BuyDVB..
I received this reply this morning..and am now awaiting futher instructions
promising at least..(email add link modified)

>>>>>
Firstly, thank you very much for the feedback at first. As this is a technical related issue, I have forwarded your email to TBS support email (support at tbs dot com) and they will support you as soon as possible.
If the device proves to be faulty, we will arrange the replacement to you. Please don't worry about that.

Best regards!

 

[Vipersan]

Reworking/reballing gpus and bga chips is a good art. Won't go into it, but it's a steep learning curve and buying the correct pc controlled equipment makes a really big difference. Stay away from the cheap Chinese crap. Plenty of patience is a must.

Edit:
I'll get a bit into it. Had a go on a few dedicated Nvidia gpus. Each board and solder type makes a big difference. Don't heat it up enough and the solder wont reflow back onto the correct places. Meaning when you play a video game and the gpu gets hot and things start to flex then the solder conncections break and can sometimes rip the track up from the board. If you apply too much heat all the solder goes like water and the entire lot goes splat lol. Then it really is a rework pull the chip off job.

There's been a few times where someone's brought some equipment to me as well where the original repairers haven't used a jig the the board doesn't flex. That makes a huge difference.

If you'd like some heat putting onto your card VS, I can have a go as we've got some nice ir gear. It helps when you can input the chip size, board thickness solder type, etc into the programme and it sets everything up for you.

Hixxy

Hi Hixxy ...
About 12 months ago My friend and I went half shares in a very nice IR6000 reball/rework station..
Very expensive (for us that is) ..but we have successfully replaced a Hanna chip on my own Xbox ...and reballed a couple of Xbox Gpus ...One was successful ..the other not so much..
I have also used it to re-flow a GPU in a laptop...
I would have prefered to reball as I dont trust re-flows....but had problems getting the neccessary template.
We are very much still on a learning curve with this unit ...but found the best way to pre-ball the chip prior to refitting ...was a cheap £20 single plate hob bought off ebay ..
It had limited temp control ..but once the chip was fluxed and the balls applied with a template...the chip could then be toasted for a short while on the hob ..until the solderballs liquified ..making it possible to clean ..flux again and place on the pcb before using the IR6000..
Do you use a similar technique ?
rgds
VS.

 

[Llew]

Good to get some positive feed back from BuyDVB VS. As you seem to have eliminated any other problems, it does seem as you and Crazycat says,. it's likely to be the tuner or associated components.

 

[BlindFaith]

If the device proves to be faulty, we will arrange the replacement to you.

Excellent news

Still, we won't know what causes the failure. I don't agree with @crazycat about the tuner. This screen shot cleary show that the tuner is working properly and also at least the PL scrambling part of the demod is ok.

 

[Vipersan]

Good to get some positive feed back from BuyDVB VS. As you seem to have eliminated any other problems, it does seem as you and Crazycat says,. it's likely to be the tuner or associated components.

Yep ..good news indeed ..
and persumably Tech support will contact me direct later..
I'll point them to this thread to read ..if that's ok ..
It might speed the diagnosis process along somewhat...rather than repeat everything I have already posted.
wish me luck.
VS

 

[BlindFaith]

This shows it even better:
http://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/topic/156481-anybody-got-tbs-card-to-view-pls-channels-on-13e/page__st__20#entry818957
it can't possibly be the tuner ;)

 

[Hixxy1]

Hi Hixxy ...
About 12 months ago My friend and I went half shares in a very nice IR6000 reball/rework station..
Very expensive (for us that is) ..but we have successfully replaced a Hanna chip on my own Xbox ...and reballed a couple of Xbox Gpus ...One was successful ..the other not so much..
I have also used it to re-flow a GPU in a laptop...
I would have prefered to reball as I dont trust re-flows....but had problems getting the neccessary template.
We are very much still on a learning curve with this unit ...but found the best way to pre-ball the chip prior to refitting ...was a cheap £20 single plate hob bought off ebay ..
It had limited temp control ..but once the chip was fluxed and the balls applied with a template...the chip could then be toasted for a short while on the hob ..until the solderballs liquified ..making it possible to clean ..flux again and place on the pcb before using the IR6000..
Do you use a similar technique ?
rgds
VS.

I warm the pcb up a bit to reduce any waping but haven't tried your technique yet. Will have to give it a go sometime

 

[NoviceSat]

Nice to see lots of activity on this topic!
Anyway, I've finally got to see some pictures on 11432V (different!) tonight. Thank you Llew for guiding me in the right direction!!

Things I've learnt:
TSReader Lite doesn't support command line switches! (So get Crazyscan to launch the EXE and manually point it to localhost:6969
TSReader Lite only streams to VLC for 60 seconds :-(
The DVB button on the Blindscan window actually does something!! (Never used it before)

Sorry to hear about your TBS card Vipersan - not sure if I can say the USB version is any better. The drivers seem flaky and the card is prone to overheating (requiring a full power down of the box - I2C seems to go bad). The USB device uses it's solid metal case as a heatsink and if you leave it under some clothing or your laptop (!) it can get hot.Nice to see Mr. Crazyscan on the forums! Thank you for writing the software. I have been looking at the code and once I get my head around the BDA API I might have a go writing a friendlier C# version...

 

[Vipersan]

Just thought I'd update you guys on the TBS card situation
This morning received another email from Jessica at buyDVB ..
Having consulted the Tech support section she has informed me that TBS will indeed replace the card foc..the only cost to me being postage to Bulgaria
..and sensibly only the actual card need be returned ..not the whole package..
This should keep cost to minimum.
I'll try and get it in the post today.
rgds
VS

 

[Llew]

Very good service VS, especially as they don't seem to require your card for inspection before sending a replacement FOC.

Pretty certain a similar situation with a UK supplier would entail much sucking in of teeth on their part before considering a similar deal.

 

[Vipersan]

Very good service VS, especially as they don't seem to require your card for inspection before sending a replacement FOC.

Pretty certain a similar situation with a UK supplier would entail much sucking in of teeth on their part before considering a similar deal.

Indeed Llew ...but I suspect this owes a lot to the fact that this very issue has been reported to them before ..see earlier in the thread..
..plus I did send them a link to read the discussion in this thread.
rgds
VS

 

[Vipersan]

Just a quick update ..
I received another email this morning from Jessica at buyDVB..
They received my returned TBScard ..and a new replacement is in the post from Singapore..
ETA unknown..but trackable with number supplied in 2 days..
;)
rgds
VS

 

[Captain Jack]

Great stuff! There is justice in this world left yet...