Old timer needs system help please.

[Tony Daly]

Almost certainly - I think you will have to use one or more of the sites like Lyngsat, KingofSat, Flysat, etc. to create lists of the transponders that you want to receive on each sat in your lists on the both receives, and then enter those manually as above.

You do that via another section of the Menus. (the same one as you would use to load William-1's list

Our posts crossed it seems.
I'll check later.

 

[jeallen01]

Not really worried about the transponder & channel list, it's more the satellite positions I would worry about losing. I don't want to start the positions again.
Is it possible to save & restore just the positions or do you have to restore the entire file ?
Maybe William-1 if he sees this might comment

I think you can only restore the entire file.

 

[ozumo]

Menu > installation > backup & recovery > settings export to USB > system settings

If the positions are separate to the channel list that's where they'll be backed up.

I'll try William's list and see if it overrides my motor settings.

 

[ozumo]

Using william-1's list it deleted satellites that weren't in his list (40e C band for example), also it changed all satellites to USALS. So yes most likely it will delete your positions.

 

[ozumo]

Recovering system settings did not affect the motor settings, so no joy there.

 

[Tony Daly]

Recovering system settings did not affect the motor settings, so no joy there.

Sorry but don't quite understand this bit ?
Tony.

 

[ozumo]

Sorry but don't quite understand this bit ?
Tony.

I exported the 'system settings' to USB from the backup & recovery menu, then after loading william-1's channel list I imported the 'system settings' I had just exported. Made zero difference to the satellite list, the previous motor settings were not recovered, unfortunately.

So if you use william-1's channel list you'll have to start from scratch. Perhaps doing a 'factory default' before loading the channel list would be prudent.

 

[Tony Daly]

I exported the 'system settings' to USB from the backup & recovery menu, then after loading william-1's channel list I imported the 'system settings' I had just exported. Made zero difference to the satellite list, the previous motor settings were not recovered, unfortunately.

So if you use william-1's channel list you'll have to start from scratch. Perhaps doing a 'factory default' before loading the channel list would be prudent.

Thanks for the explanation ozuma.
I've not been at the receiver today yet so I'll have to think hard before doing any more in case I lose what I've done so far ?

Yesterday I set up a new satellite on the SX88+ but I couldn't get it to save ? I will add a transponder to the satellite & see if that helps.
I've only entered about five satellite positions in the SX88+ so far because it took me a while to get my head around the way to do it.
Its hard without any sort of decent user manual or video tutorials.
I'm not a complete novice so I would eventually work it out for myself but I would take me far longer only for the great help I'm receiving on here
I would have thought that because the Octagon SX88 is a popular receiver that there would be more information out there ? I've asked similar questions on other satellite forums but haven't received any answers at all ?

I wonder what program William-1 uses to edit his satellite list ?
If I knew that then maybe I could set up the list the way I want it.
I know he has one of these receivers but he doesn't seem to around at the moment.

Tony.

 

[ozumo]

I'm not sure why you'd be trying to add 37.5w when it should already be in the satellite list?

The reason why you may not be getting answers is because the vast majority of sx88+ users will be using it with a DiSEqC 1.3 motor with USALS, and not a GBOX shared between 2 receivers, which is a fairly unique setup. Do the satellites you've set up work and move the dish automatically, and do they still work on the Technomate?

 

[Tony Daly]

I'm not sure why you'd be trying to add 37.5w when it should already be in the satellite list?

The reason why you may not be getting answers is because the vast majority of sx88+ users will be using it with a DiSEqC 1.3 motor with USALS, and not a GBOX shared between 2 receivers, which is a fairly unique setup. Do the satellites you've set up work and move the dish automatically, and do they still work on the Technomate?

When I booted up the SX88+ I found that 37.5W had been saved but if there are no channels saved on a satellite in the SX88+ it won't be seen when you press the Sat button on the remote ? You have to go into the menu/fav to find the satellite ?

The main information I was after was regarding the SX88+ menus & how to set the receiver up & I understand that most people wouldn't be using a GBOX & DiSEqC 1.2.
The satellites I have put in work fine & the dish moves to the right sat.
They still worked correctly in the TM7102HD when I checked it yesterday but I may have made a mistake storing the GBOX positions on the SX88+ as its one position ahead of where it should be & I don't know a way of changing it, just as I don't know of a way of skipping a position on the SX88+ ?

A few things I have come across which someone may be able to help me with ?

(1) On Intelsat 901 27.5 West I have 83% signal quality on the BBC transponder 11.499V but when I go to search the transponder the SX88+ finds nothing & the quality bar shows 0% quality ? When I exit the search the quality bar shows 0% but if I go the another transponder & then back to the BBC transponder it again shows a strong signal.
Edit: I just switched to the TM7102HD & it brings in the BBC channels ok.
I also found that the quality could be improved using the TM7102HD to peak the dish. Going back to the SX88+ I found that the quality was now 100% but it still didn't find anything ?

(2) When adding a transponder the 3rd & 4th settings down are NIT & MTS ?
What do NIT & MTS mean ?

(3) In transponder search you have "Renew channel Data" ?
What does this mean ?

(4) How do I do a blind search on a satellite please ?

Thanks everyone for your continued help.
I really am grateful.
Tony.

 

[ozumo]

Satellites won't be shown on the main channel list unless there are channels scanned in. The Primo I use has no SAT button so I can't help with that.

(1) That involves decrypting encrypted channels so we can't help with that here.

(2) Ignore NIT. MTS is for multistream or T2MI transponders, so this needs to be selected if you're trying to scan one of those (on 5w for example).

(3) I believe this is when you scan - all channels which are not found are deleted from the channel list on that satellite. Or if the current channel list is to be kept and any new channels found are added on to the end of the current list.

(4) Menu > installation > antenna settings > scroll up or down to the satellite(s) you want to scan and press ok on the remote to put a tick next to the satellite. Then press red (search) and change mode to blind, then scroll to the bottom and press ok to start the search.

 

[Tony Daly]

Satellites won't be shown on the main channel list unless there are channels scanned in. The Primo I use has no SAT button so I can't help with that.

(1) That involves decrypting encrypted channels so we can't help with that here.

(2) Ignore NIT. MTS is for multistream or T2MI transponders, so this needs to be selected if you're trying to scan one of those (on 5w for example).

(3) I believe this is when you scan - all channels which are not found are deleted from the channel list on that satellite. Or if the current channel list is to be kept and any new channels found are added on to the end of the current list.

(4) Menu > installation > antenna settings > scroll up or down to the satellite(s) you want to scan and press ok on the remote to put a tick next to the satellite. Then press red (search) and change mode to blind, then scroll to the bottom and press ok to start the search.

ozumo.

Thanks for that information.
In regards to (1) above. I have no interest in watching or decrypting these channels but I was just trying to find out why the SX88+ didn't find them when the TM7102HD did ?

Tony

 

[ozumo]

ozumo.

Thanks for that information.
In regards to (1) above. I have no interest in watching or decrypting these channels but I was just trying to find out why the SX88+ didn't find them when the TM7102HD did ?

Tony

There's something non standard about the transponder which means some receivers are unable to scan it in. It can be done on the Octagon but that's something you'll have find out elsewhere

 

[ozumo]

The SX88+ saves the satellite to the lowest available position number. If you change the satellite motor setting to USALS or OFF, the position number is made available again.

So if the sats are saved as 19e = pos1, 16e = pos2 & 13e = pos3, if you change 19e to motor off, the next satellite you save will be pos 1. Then if you change 19e back to DiSEqC 1.2 it will save as position 4.

For every satellite you want to skip you need to add a new satellite, call them dummy 7 & dummy 8 etc. They will be at the bottom of the satellite list. Give them a unique longitude that matches no other satellite in the list, and make sure to save the motor position.

 

[Tony Daly]

The SX88+ saves the satellite to the lowest available position number. If you change the satellite motor setting to USALS or OFF, the position number is made available again.

So if the sats are saved as 19e = pos1, 16e = pos2 & 13e = pos3, if you change 19e to motor off, the next satellite you save will be pos 1. Then if you change 19e back to DiSEqC 1.2 it will save as position 4.

For every satellite you want to skip you need to add a new satellite, call them dummy 7 & dummy 8 etc. They will be at the bottom of the satellite list. Give them a unique longitude that matches no other satellite in the list, and make sure to save the motor position.

Thanks ozumo.
I'll take a look at that when I get a chance.
Tony.

 

[Tony Daly]

I had a chance this evening to put in a few satellites on the SX88+.
All went well until I got to No16 on my GBOX list.
The first 15 numbers including 2 dummy satellites which were numbers 7 & 8 went in ok.
When I came to the next satellite & I went to save it I got number 17 instead of 16 on the GBOX display ?
I have no idea why this happened. There seems to be no way on the SX88+to put in whatever number you want for a satellite position
I have tried several things including saving the dummy satellite in Usals instead of DiSEqC 1.2 but no difference. I also tried using the GBOX remote to change the number down to 16 & saved it. That's doesn't work because the SX88+ won't show the satellite until I save it again which puts it back up to 17 again
I may have to start from the start & save the satellite positions on the SX88+ one after the other & then try & to replicate those positions on the TM7102HD which will probably give me the same problem on the TM.
Fortunately I have the number of motor pulses written down so I can drive the GBOX to any satellite position very quickly from either receiver using the receivers remotes.

Apart from the numbering problem I have the Octagon receiver works well once you get used to the way the menus operate.
I've also noticed that the blind search in the SX88+ scans the entire satellite & doesn't allow you to enter frequencies between which you can search ? The TM allows you to do this.

Tony.

 

[jeallen01]

Very "interesting"!

From that, I think that I'm getting that the GEOBOX can't acommodate more than 16 sat positions - something that seems to be similar to DiSEqC 1.1 - but can't understand why the SX88+ saves that last sat as position 17???

Unless the SX88+ has a "hidden" sat position "0" - digital stuff can be like that!

PS: this has also given me another issue to report to @chris - I'm now in the "new to me" "SatsUK - new" mode, and so the whole formatting, links, etc., insertion bar at the top of the edit mode "box" is greyed out and so I can't use any of those options!

PPS: I then looked to report the above "PS" to @chris I couldn't because I could not see the relevant thread in this mode and so there appears to be a further issue that not all threads can be seen in all three of the possible "viewing" modes.

Therefore, please can one of the Staff pass those issues on to @chris.

 

[Tony Daly]

Very "interesting"!

From that, I think that I'm getting that the GEOBOX can't acommodate more than 16 sat positions - something that seems to be similar to DiSEqC 1.1 - but can't understand why the SX88+ saves that last sat as position 17???

Unless the SX88+ has a "hidden" sat position "0" - digital stuff can be like that!

There are nearly 50 satellite positions saved in the TM7102HD, that's the position list I am working from & the GBOX has a 99 position memory.
If the SX88+ has a hidden sat position why should it kick in after 15 positions have been saved ?
Puzzling to say the least.

Tony.

 

[jeallen01]

No idea - maybe someone far more experienced than I can suggest the answer?

 

[ozumo]

I don't think you can specify the position number on the Technomate either, and no you can't specify a frequency range to search on the Octagon, it's like that on most receivers these days

Another option is to set the sat you were trying to save as pos16 to 'no motor', and just carry on from the next satellite that was supposed to be 17. Then when you get to the end of your list go back the satellite that was supposed to be pos16, drive the motor to peak the dish and then save the satellite to whatever position number comes next. The position numbers won't match but each receiver should send the dish to the correct place.