With neumoDVB (and Crazyscan) on satellites

satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
Express-AM6 @ 53° E

The 6903x card with neumoDVB and Crazyscan on 53.0E, spectrum, and muxes: 10700-11700 HV; 12500-12750 HV:
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
Yamal 402 @ 54.9° E

The 6903x(6983) cards with neumoDVB and Crazyscan on 54.9E, spectrum, and muxes: 10950-11700 HV; 12500-12750 HV
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
Express-AT1 @ 56° E

The 6903x(6983) cards with neumoDVB and Crazyscan on 56.0E, scanned with Ku-linear lnb, spectrum, and muxes: 11700-12500 H/L:
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
NSS-12 @ 57° E

The 6903x(6983) cards with neumoDVB and Crazyscan on 57.0E, spectrum, and muxes: 10950-11700 H/V_11700-12500 H/V_12500-12750 H:
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
KazSat 3 @ 58.5° E

The 6903x(6983) cards with neumoDVB and Crazyscan on 58.5E, spectrum, and muxes: 10950-11400 H/V
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
AsiaSat 5 @ 100.5° E

I work/test at 100.5E with the best dvb cards, 6983 for dvb-s2 reception on Windows and 6903x for Dvb-S2X under Linux.
I don't need to insist on the first card; it is known by those who use it, as well as 6903x. But what makes the last special is that under Linux, it behaves as if it had the signal sensitivity and scanning speed of 6983.
For me, the test on AsiaSat 5 was yet another proof, if needed, that the solution found by Deeptho to exploit the potential of 6903x is extraordinary.
With the fluctuating signal on a small antenna at only 0.2° elevation, with 6903x it is very difficult to lock the signal at this position on Windows. However, I had no problems with this card with neumoDVB. It spotted the signal immediately on a few muxes; the most important one was at 12300 V, where I could lock and see the only channel received. There is one more feed at 12304 V, but to lock it requires a stronger signal.
The 6903x(6983) cards with neumoDVB and Crazyscan on 100.5E, spectrum, and muxes: 12200-12750 V:
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
26.0E_BADR 8-11700-12750 HV_received with 6903x and 6902se cards.
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
Yamal 402 @ 54.9° E

I found with neumoDVB a 4K HEVC 54.9E feed on 12571 V,1700, a religious service, captured with a tbs6909x card.
Interestingly, you can make a UHD broadcast with such parameters.
I used "Streaming service and muxes" to get the complete picture with VLC or MPV. The latter was smoother, although it had artifacts.
It is tough to fit a UHD image into the size of the HD monitor, which is why the image is distorted and not whole.
If I used a 4K monitor, the picture would be awesome.
I wanted to capture this feed cu Crazyscan with some dvb payers, but the signal disappeared.
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
Hellas Sat 3 @ 39° E

Using neumoDVB to listen to DAB+ ERT at 39.0E via "Streaming services and muxes" as before:
tsp -I ip 9999 | tsniv2ni 1010 | dablin_gtk

ERT DAB (0xe000)
0 : Proto (0x1000) Pri subch= 1 start= 0 CUs= 80 PL=eep-2a bitrate=80 DAB+
1 : 3o Maestro (0x1009) Pri subch=10 start=720 CUs= 80 PL=eep-2a bitrate=80 DAB+
2 : Voice Of Greece (0x1005) Pri subch= 6 start=432 CUs= 48 PL=eep-2a bitrate=48 DAB+
3 : Zeppelin (0x1006) Pri subch= 7 start=480 CUs= 80 PL=eep-2a bitrate=80 DAB+
4 : 2o Paradosiaka (0x1010) Pri subch=11 start=800 CUs= 64 PL=eep-2a bitrate=64 DAB+
5 : Deftero 103,7 (0x1001) Pri subch= 2 start= 80 CUs= 96 PL=eep-2a bitrate=96 DAB+
6 : DefteroLaika (0x1008) Pri subch= 9 start=640 CUs= 80 PL=eep-2a bitrate=80 DAB+
7 : Era Sport (0x1003) Pri subch= 4 start=288 CUs= 64 PL=eep-2a bitrate=64 DAB+
8 : Kosmos (0x1004) Pri subch= 5 start=352 CUs= 80 PL=eep-2a bitrate=80 DAB+
9 : Kosmos-Jazz (0x1007) Pri subch= 8 start=560 CUs= 80 PL=eep-2a bitrate=80 DAB+
10 : Trito (0x1002) Pri subch= 3 start=176 CUs=112 PL=eep-2a bitrate=112 DAB+
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
G-Sat 17 @ 93.5° E (C-band)

Lnb Titanium C-138, 5G Red 1, 3.8-4.2GHz band, NF 15° at 93.5E G-Sat 17 in C-band with neumoDVB and Crazyscan.
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
Chinasat 12 @ 87.5° E

Test on 87.5E Chinasat-12 with lnb Titanium C-138, 5G Red 1, 3.8-4.2GHz band, NF 15° with neumoDVB and 6909x card.
I couldn't see the other two packages except KC-TV because the app crashed every time, even during manual scans.
It seems to be a bug/error, whatever you call it, that is making the service display problem.
Could it be because the signal is at its limit?
The spectrum doesn't look good on Crazyscan with 6909x, but at least it only displays muxes that lock them.
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
G-Sat 10/30 @ 83° E

With neumoDVB and tbs6909x card at 83.0E in C-band on G-Sat 10/30.
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
Apstar-7 @ 76.5° E

neumoDVB and tbs6909x card at 76.5E in C-band on Apstar-7 with 1.50m antenna:
3750-4200 H and 3750-4200 V.

I want other reception enthusiasts who use neumoDVB to post their results with this app, whether in Ku or C-band.
As we know, comparisons incentivize those wanting to escape their "bubble." :)
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
Intelsat 20 @ 68.5° E

neumoDVB(Crazyscan) and tbs6909x card at 68.5E in C-band on Intelsat 20 with 1.50m antenna: 3750-4200 HV.
 

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deeptho

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My Satellite Setup
Wavefrontier T90, Laminas 120cm, 2 other dishes; tbs 5927, tbs6904, tbs6909x, tbs6903x, tbs5990, tbs6981,tbs5927
My Location
Europe
I just discovered a t2mi stream with Ukranian radio channels on 23E.
The streams play fine with neumoDVB

t2mi.png
 

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
Thanks, @deeptho, for finding. :Y
It's even more than radio services, but television is probably the same as 9.0E.
They are now in the testing phase. There are no pictures, only sound, on each DSNS channel.
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
Test with 6909x(any card works) on this T2MI mux. Works fine t2mi stream with your app. :Y
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
Intelsat 17 @ 66° E_C-band

Lnb Titanium C-138, 5G(3,8-4.2GHz), and 1.50m dish.
neumoDVB scanned with 6909x card and Tuner 5927 USB on Intelsat 17 at 66.0E.
Crazyscan with 6909x under Windows.
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
Express-AT1 @ 56° E


I scanned Express-AT1 at 56.0E with circular lnb and the tbs6909x card.
 

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satesco

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My Satellite Setup
seven antennas,one toroidal with 16 lnbs,
6 satellite receivers,2 Meters,9 PC cards(tbs6983,6903,6590,6504,6522,6209,2603,6909X,6903X,6902se,skystar hd2),2 tuners usb-tbs5927 & tbs5925,Skystar HD.
Satellite reception between 100.5E-50.0W
My Location
Romania
EUTELSAT Quantum @ 47.7° E

neumoDVB can't correctly identify the transponders with weak signals. The spectrum is cluttered with many peaks (much noise?), which affect the useful signal.

If on other satellites, neumoDVB with a 6909x card can do wonders compared to Crazyscan; this time, when we have high symbol rates, the application under Windows is cleaner, and with patience, muxes can be locked.

Probably on a strong signal such muxes with high symbol rate could have been found correctly, and the spectrum would have looked completely different.
The differences between neumoDVB and Crazyscan can be seen more clearly when the signal is weak. This is when most errors (sometimes bugs) and fake feeds occur. Crazyscan seldom gives errors when the signal is weak, either displaying no lock or not at all.
As is IQmonitor, using CrazyCat's library, which, if the signal is not strong enough, doesn't display it, and in the best case it displays a clean and even beautiful spectrum, as it did with muxes found and in the 47.7E

But about the differences in approach between the two applications have been briefly told by Deeptho and CrazyCat on #7 and #8

Apologies to the two brilliant developers if my judgments about their app are wrong;they are those of a regular user. :)
 

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