Astra 2E: Scandinavia & Baltics Reports

[archive10]

Got Inverto Quad Black Ultra delivered today from hm-sat . Getting 2-3db more than my old LNB . Have 97% signal's on some channels.

Will do some more tests in coming weeks

Sounds good!
As in 2-3 dB more strength, or as in 2.3 dB more S/N ratio?
The former, I assume, otherwise you had a really crap LNB before
In my experience, absolute signal strength - although important - is not the primary criteria for reception (S/N ratio is).
But it allows me to router the output through distribution switches and wall plates while still delivering a decent signal to the box.

 

[RimaNTSS]

Near Riga, on 1,8m Prodelin I receive more than 600 services from 28,2*E position. Signal levels are attached.

 

[mr420]

Sounds good!
As in 2-3 dB more strength, or as in 2.3 dB more S/N ratio?
The former, I assume, otherwise you had a really crap LNB before
In my experience, absolute signal strength - although important - is not the primary criteria for reception (S/N ratio is).
But it allows me to router the output through distribution switches and wall plates while still delivering a decent signal to the box.

SNR 33% - 5.90-6.10db on DM8000HD
SNR 37% on Vu+ Solo HD
On Europen beam i am now getting 97-99% before i had 90-92% so its big improvement lets see what happens when weather is bad

Never seen higher than 29% before on Vu+ Solo. Will check later tonight if i loose signal's and when i will get back picture. Weather is good no cloud at all.

I had a maximum 0.3db quad before which i am using with 1w now getting 90% signal's.

 

[mr420]

ARY News which i wanted is working almost all the time in good weather. Guess will loose channel when weather gets bad.

11386 v 27500 2/3 - 4.2db - time 0800
11386 v 27500 2/3 - 4.0db - time 0830
11386 v 27500 2/3 - - time 0900 NO SIGNALS
11386 v 27500 2/3 - 4.9db - time 1800
11386 v 27500 2/3 - 5.1db - time 2200
11386 v 27500 2/3 - 4.5db - time 0300

I guess Gibertini 125cm will do the trick


BBC and ITV channels are not working 24/7 better signals but channels are lost almost on same time

 

[mr420]

11386 v 27500 2/3 - 3.9db - time 1030 Weak SIGNALS - Unstable picture

ARY News which i wanted is working almost all the time in good weather. Guess will loose channel when weather gets bad.

11386 v 27500 2/3 - 4.2db - time 0800
11386 v 27500 2/3 - 4.0db - time 0830
11386 v 27500 2/3 - - time 0900 NO SIGNALS
11386 v 27500 2/3 - 4.9db - time 1800
11386 v 27500 2/3 - 5.1db - time 2200
11386 v 27500 2/3 - 4.5db - time 0300

I guess Gibertini 125cm will do the trick


BBC and ITV channels are not working 24/7 better signals but channels are lost almost on same time

 

[archive10]

I guess Gibertini 125cm will do the trick

Yes - and most other 120 cm dishes. The SMC ones very well too.

 

[mr420]

Its raining today and I lost signals on all channels on both boxes has NEVER happened before loosing signals in rain weather or even in snow. I changed from Maximum quad 0.3 to inverto quad 0.2 . Bought from Hm-sat can it be fake inverto ??

Really disappointed Any one know what can be reason ??

 

[hvdh]

Not the best LNB, or even the largest dish, will prevent loss of Ku-band signal if the rain/snow is heavy enough.

 

[4wd]

Its raining today and I lost signals on all channels on both boxes has NEVER happened before loosing signals in rain weather or even in snow. I changed from Maximum quad 0.3 to inverto quad 0.2

Lost all, is that EU + UK? Usually had 2E UK without any loss on a 110?

I can't use BU quad for low signals, looses picture at levels where my Maximum keeps on working (expected the opposite!) see https://www.satellites.co.uk/forums...general-discussion.165653/page-20#post-934299.

And a rainhood to keep front of lnb dry + 'millimeter' dish\skew adjustments is a must here on the 120 to achieve UK evening reception. Basically, dish is too small to cope 100% with the extreme UK level variations. EU no problem under any circumstance or any LNB.

 

[mr420]

Not the best LNB, or even the largest dish, will prevent loss of Ku-band signal if the rain/snow is heavy enough.

I was told by every one its best LNB know ppl here in Norway who use Inverto and recommended it... Very disappointing

Btw it wasnt heavy rain at all

Lost all, is that EU + UK? Usually had 2E UK without any loss on a 110?

I can't use BU quad for low signals, looses picture at levels where my Maximum keeps on working (expected the opposite!) see https://www.satellites.co.uk/forums...general-discussion.165653/page-20#post-934299.

And a rainhood to keep front of lnb dry + 'millimeter' dish\skew adjustments is a must here on the 120 to achieve UK evening reception. Basically, dish is too small to cope 100% with the extreme UK level variations. EU no problem under any circumstance or any LNB.

Lost all UK and EU beam. Have 99% signals but when start to rain signals drops more than 40-50%

 

[skomedal]

More dish area is the answer

Stop wasting your money on easy fix diverse LNBs and STBs that promise good fringe reception

 

[4wd]

More dish area is the answer

Agree. The 'best' lnb and good adjustments can help to get the max out of what one got (a few crucial Quality %'s here and there) but not much compared to the 10's of %'s a large dish will presumably give.

Lost all UK and EU beam. Have 99% signals but when start to rain signals drops more than 40-50%

Probably very normal that the UKs go away in periods of rain + low levels, but IMO many of the EUs should survive rain with no problem.

With 110 cm, if EU maps are roughly indicative at your location > http://flysat.com/astra28-beam.php > 2E fringe, 2F ok , 2G very good. Here in the west am getting all three without problems (with power relative as indicated on the maps). How's 2G EU behaving compared to 2E\2F?

 

[mr420]

Other than Astra 2e uk beam i have 99% signal on all most all channels but its strange i lost all channels. As said happend after i changed to Inverto lnb

 

[4wd]

i lost all channels. As said happend after i changed to Inverto lnb

A matter of eliminating (im)possible trouble source(s). Bypass any diseqc if in use and be sure cabling is ok. How is 2f & especially the very strong 2G (example CNN 11112 H 22000)? If those sats work the BU is ok, try readjusting dish\skew for better 2E reception. But as mentionned, I cannot use BU quad for very low signals, many lnb's I've tested here on 28E are better.

If nothing helps put the Maximum back on, and report what happens. If that one gives good quality readings then the BU is of course suspicious (btw of course assuming you got a quad, not a quattro :O) And maybe test the BU on another dish on a known working position\sat to confirm that it might be defective.

 

[Clown man]

IBU Quad was also no good here.......could be due to its very high signal strength output ?

...The White Opticum Quad LNB is very good on dishes up to 120cm ....... might be worth a try ?.....

 

[timo_w2s]

IBU Quad was also no good here.......could be due to its very high signal strength output ?

...The White Opticum Quad LNB is very good on dishes up to 120cm ....... might be worth a try ?.....

I have found this too.

 

[bema]

IBU has very high gain compared to other LNBs. Sometimes an attenuator is needed, especially if the cable is short. Otherwise, some receivers will not work properly...

Test with 10 or 20 dB F attenuators. I bought from ELFA last time very cheap if remember correct...

 

[4wd]

IBU has very high gain compared to other LNBs. Sometimes an attenuator is needed, especially if the cable is short. Otherwise, some receivers will not work properly...
Test with 10 or 20 dB F attenuators. I bought from ELFA last time very cheap if remember correct...

Ref. results using IBU quad's is that for periods of very low 28E UK signals the output was much less level than some others lnb's I got (= no lock with BU, picture with others), so I can't see attenuation being of any help, would rather be looking for more gain, it seems the BU just dies away when a certain low transp. level is hit. For strong signals (like 28E EU freq.) the BU quad is excellent here. Am using one for 19E.

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After a few evenings of 'must buy larger dish', this evening 2E\F\G UK got solid levels again. May it last for a while. Similar report > https://www.satellites.co.uk/forums...ern-europe-reports.159945/page-19#post-935297

 

[archive10]

A little strange experience over the past few days:

I tested various LNBs on tuesday. Got consistant 12.5 dB C/N readings on 10773H with both Inverto Black Ultra Quattro and Inverto Black Pro + CM feedhorn.
Measured several times having swapped the feed back and forth.

All yesterday, I suddenly got 11 dB on 10773 (and similar drops on other 2E transponders) - without changing anything from the last 12.5 dB measurement.

This evening, I'm down to 10.2 dB, even across a span of several hours. Still not changed anything physical. Weather is splendid - clear skies and not a cloud in sight.

Signal strength has also dropped, but only around 0.8 dBuV.

There could be several reasons:

1) Dish has moved. Very unlikely, the dish has been up 4 years now, and survived several gale-force storms wihtout budging. Difficult to see why it should move in light winds in the summertime.

2) LNB is not fastened properly after experimentation work, and is "un-skewing". Not the case, the LNB is firmly fixed to the LNB holder.

3) Daily fluctuations of sat orientation. But this should be over the period of a day, but with similar readings at same time on different days.

4) General fluctuations in satellite orientation. Not sure if 2E changes regularly that much??

5) Moisture in the air - assuming that moisture absorbs and disperses signal. But the airmass seems to the same, and we're talking up to 2+ dB now.

Dunno - maybe it's a combination of many factors...

Weird thing is that 2G readings on 11023H taken at the same times are roughly the same, with a light reduction in strength (0.5dBuV) and possibly eve a slight increase (0.2 d of C/N.

Does anyone else reckognise this behaviour?
Is this what you guys experience regularly?
Short-period (days) fluctuations of 2+ dB?

 

[bema]

Ref. results using IBU quad's is that for periods of very low 28E UK signals the output was much less level than some others lnb's I got (= no lock with BU, picture with others), so I can't see attenuation being of any help, would rather be looking for more gain, it seems the BU just dies away when a certain low transp. level is hit. For strong signals (like 28E EU freq.) the BU quad is excellent here. Am using one for 19E.

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After a few evenings of 'must buy larger dish', this evening 2E\F\G UK got solid levels again. May it last for a while. Similar report > https://www.satellites.co.uk/forums...ern-europe-reports.159945/page-19#post-935297

Yes, but if you "over-drive" your receiver it may looks like the signal levels are low but it may be due to intermodulation (interference) from some very high signal level transponders. I had that problem with one of my TBS cards with a cable of only 12m. The 10 dB attenuator gave me the channels back...