New NS2000 (NS3 / NS4) thread

[ralf111]

Hypermux 10e at the moment
4 Euroleague matches and Biathlon

 

[moonbase]

Hypermux 10e at the moment
4 Euroleague matches and Biathlon

Are they with a DRM or FTA?

 

[ralf111]

DRM

 

[7mdish]

Hypermux 10e at the moment
4 Euroleague matches and Biathlon

Big shot!!!

 

[harshysat]

yeah this is what i want to watch but its a very expensive and b you need a license, well whos gonna give little old me a license

 

[Analoguesat]

yeah this is what i want to watch but its a very expensive and b you need a license, well whos gonna give little old me a license

Without the correct accreditation you have no chance of getting the appropriate licences

 

[moonbase]

NS4
Six channel mux from 7.0E
Some type of cycling event.
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[itchybag]

back in 2016 i priced up a ns2000 demod. Basic specs -

Novelsat NS2000 demodulator including L-band 950-2150MHz
interface, ASI Interface, Dual Channel Option, NS3 Package, DVBS2/
S3 QPSK/8PSK/16APSK @ 70Msps, Dynamic Non-Linear Distortion
Compensator. First year warranty included. 2nd year warranty
charged at 8% of purchase cost.

pricey back then at just under £8000. theres a ns3/4 unit on ebay atm they want £12000. Wonder if they bought it with no licenses and realise its pretty much useless.

 

[moonbase]

...theres a ns3/4 unit on ebay atm they want £12000. Wonder if they bought it with no licenses and realise its pretty much useless.

Could be, seller states only used a few times which suggests it is possibly not from a corporate environment and without licensing.
It is expensive, I saw one go for £3500 plus 35% fees (VAT & auctioneer commission) a year or two ago, less than £5K all in which came from a corporate broadcaster, think it was Arquiva so might have been fully loaded?

 

[itchybag]

Could be, seller states only used a few times which suggests it is possibly not from a corporate environment and without licensing.
It is expensive, I saw one go for £3500 plus 35% fees (VAT & auctioneer commission) a year or two ago, less than £5K all in which came from a corporate broadcaster, think it was Arquiva so might have been fully loaded?

there was an auction site i used to see them pop up on from time to time had "go" in the url, cant for the life of me the site though. Was back around the time the BBC moved to media city, i just summized they auctioned off all there London equipment for brand new in Manchester.

 

[ralf111]

If anyone have DRM licensed staff with other neccesary license ,he will never sell it for 12k

simple to understand without any speculation

i bet this unit is just basic demod without any special licence

 

[itchybag]

If anyone have DRM licensed staff with other neccesary license ,he will never sell it for 12k

simple to understand without any speculation

i bet this unit is just basic demod without any special licence

IS DRM previously HM crypt or is that an additional layer of protection?

 

[ralf111]

IS DRM previously HM crypt or is that an additional layer of protection?

I have No idea what people mean by HM crypt i never seen such of protection called HM crypt ,
So for me is just Hypermux crypted with DRM rights in addition secured by Biss key , i know what you probably mean ,Feedsat sometimes post some updates, of course he never mention symbol rate etc.. probably he want be only „hero” who knows all details ,but that’s No problem at all anymore ,we all know where they are ,i mean feeds details of course ,anyway he may struggle with Tandberg encypted feeds as he never post any screen of those feeds just details of feeds of course only freq !

Because he found it !!!

This time is already past when it was a secret
We already have more problems rather than feeds details

 

[moonbase]

IS DRM previously HM crypt or is that an additional layer of protection?

My understanding is the same as that stated by @ralf111
HM Crypt = A hypermux excrypted frequency.
DRM = Digital Rights Management.

A frequency with a single channel in it that is encrypted would be called DRM
A frequency with several channels in it that are encrypted would be called DRM HM Crypt

As indicated by @ralf111 there seem to be only two types of encryption used underneath the NS3/NS4 which are biss and tandberg.
The tandberg encryption probably requires a specific *.xml file to be loaded into something like an RX8200 receiver which receives the NS3/NS4 demodulated signal from the NS2000/NS3000 unit.
Same applies to biss, all it requires is the biss CW to be loaded into an RX8200 to clear the NS3/NS4 demodulated signal from the NS2000/NS3000

A software app such as DVBDream can also be used instead of an RX8200, I confirm DVBDream works for biss with a TBS690A card receiving the signal from an NS2000 unit.

 

[itchybag]

My understanding is the same as that stated by @ralf111
HM Crypt = A hypermux excrypted frequency.
DRM = Digital Rights Management.

A frequency with a single channel in it that is encrypted would be called DRM
A frequency with several channels in it that are encrypted would be called DRM HM Crypt

As indicated by @ralf111 there seem to be only two types of encryption used underneath the NS3/NS4 which are biss and tandberg.
The tandberg encryption probably requires a specific *.xml file to be loaded into something like an RX8200 receiver which receives the NS3/NS4 demodulated signal from the NS2000/NS3000 unit.
Same applies to biss, all it requires is the biss CW to be loaded into an RX8200 to clear the NS3/NS4 demodulated signal from the NS2000/NS3000

A software app such as DVBDream can also be used instead of an RX8200, I confirm DVBDream works for biss with a TBS690A card receiving the signal from an NS2000 unit.

So a DRM enabled unit covers hypermux's and single channel mux's or are there diffrent DRM options depending on content access. Surprised BISS is still used

 

[moonbase]

So a DRM enabled unit covers hypermux's and single channel mux's or are there diffrent DRM options depending on content access. Surprised BISS is still used

I suppose a DRM could be used by the EBU on a hypermux or a single channel carrier, it is up to them if and when they apply it.
Generally the EBU transmit hypermuxes rather than single channel carriers. It seems to be non EBU users of NS3/NS4 that transmit single channel carriers but there are sure to be exceptions to this.

The major broadcasters also have their own custom DRM's registered with Novelsat/EBU hence the reason why some NS2000 units are licensed with the capability of storing up to 4 different DRM's at the same time. It saves having to unload/reload DRM's from a unit at the receiving station. There is possibly a custom DRM for the Paris Olympic Games this year, if I recall correctly there was one in 2021 for the last Olympic games.

 

[ralf111]

I suppose a DRM could be used by the EBU on a hypermux or a single channel carrier, it is up to them if and when they apply it.
Generally the EBU transmit hypermuxes rather than single channel carriers. It seems to be non EBU users of NS3/NS4 that transmit single channel carriers but there are sure to be exceptions to this.

That's right , EBU transmit them usualy as mux
same story should be when Olimpic games comes ,they also will be transmited as mux by EBU for sure , i dont't think it will be custom DRM used but i may be wrong, to much work to do it ,as this will require to load new software updates only for Olimpic games , maybe only new AES or GPG keys but licences will stay same as it is

they didn't really change software from 2017 all this changes are just minor cosmetics changes nothing major ,all units from that year will work with DRM until they have proper keys loaded with license

 

[moonbase]

That's right , EBU transmit them usualy as mux
same story should be when Olimpic games comes ,they also will be transmited as mux by EBU for sure , i dont't think it will be custom DRM used but i may be wrong, to much work to do it ,as this will require to load new software updates only for Olimpic games , maybe only new AES or GPG keys but licences will stay same as it is

they didn't really change software from 2017 all this changes are just minor cosmetics changes nothing major ,all units from that year will work with DRM until they have proper keys loaded with license

I was offered the option to purchase a legitimate custom DRM for the 2021 Olympics, that was the only reason that I said I thought there might be a custom DRM for the 2024 Olympics.
For an NS2000 unit built with 4 DRM slots it is not really an issue to load a custom DRM into a vacant slot.

 

[ralf111]

hold on ,do you mean tht ns2000 have extra slots for something like card or usb ?
i'm asking because i never had contact with ns2000 unit , NS3000 have no slots at all ,everything is loaded through system by files

 

[moonbase]

hold on ,do you mean tht ns2000 have extra slots for something like card or usb ?
i'm asking because i never had contact with ns2000 unit , NS3000 have no slots at all ,everything is loaded through system by files

Apologies, I did not mean a physical hardware slot that accepts a card/cam type of device.

I meant that the NS2000 can be purchased with a firmware configuration that allows 4 different DRM's to be loaded onto the unit at the same time.
My understanding is that this is an extra option above the base build firmware configuration which allows only 1 DRM to be loaded into the firmware.

The "slots" I referred to is the firmware capability to load a different DRM into each slot. The logic is similar to some E2 satellite receivers where 4 different E2 images can be stored in the receiver at the same time, these are often referred to as image slots but are firmware rather than a phsical hardware slot.

Hope that clears it up?